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Mercury52 Inner circle Kevin Reylek 2111 Posts 
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The TT has been included in thousands upon thousands of magic kits, and it's far from destroyed in professional use. I'd wager we'll all be just fine with our wow gimmicks for quite awhile....
Glad to hear the build quality on the kit is good, and that crediting is involved. A solid foundation is really important when getting started in magic, or any hobby. Too many kits are poorly made, which makes it difficult for a child to operate, and it can discourage them or put them off magic.
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2348 Posts
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The Wow is little different though, in use it is shown whereas the thumb tip should never be seen openly.
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cardbiker Inner circle 1067 Posts
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On Nov 13, 2015, twitter wrote: You should have mentioned it. Lol |
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Mercury52 Inner circle Kevin Reylek 2111 Posts
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I still think magicians significantly over-worry about that sort of thing. Look at high-level performers who also release a lot of material. Josh Jay has many high-end clients, but has also directly published many of his working routines that he still uses, and has also published multiple books for the general public. I don't think that's had a negative impact on how much his audiences have been fooled or entertained by him.
A quick Google search can turn up anything for anyone. Most people don't care enough to look. As with ANY trick we perform, there's a small chance that someone in our audience is familiar with the method - whether it's a DL, an ID, IT, TT, or insert your favorite other acronym here. It doesn't stop people from getting MASSIVE reactions on shows like AGT and BGT with an ID, Extreme Burn, Cardtoon, and so forth. So yes, the possibility exists that some eight year old may get this and mention something during someone's performance of it, but the odds are one in a million. I worked at FAO Schwarz demoing magic for about a year and a half and sold a ton of coloring books, sponge balls, IDs, Ring on Shoelace, etc. I've used all of these effects in paid gigs and have never had anyone say, "Oh yeah, that's simple, I got that in a magic kit." The overlap is just not nearly as severe as we make it out to be, and magic secrets in general are not nearly as well protected as we like to think they are. Anyway, back on topic, I'm glad that the kit wasn't just a quick way to make a buck where they slapped his face on a poorly-made kit. I think a great kit is a true way to create a magician, rather than someone who just happened to learn a few cheap tricks when they were a kid.
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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 741 Posts
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[quote]On Nov 13, 2015, cardbiker wrote:
[quote]On Nov 13, 2015, twitter wrote: Quote:
On Nov 12, 2015, T.G. Jones wrote: Did you not sell or have the paul daniels magic set. Graham
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 2863 Posts
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On Nov 13, 2015, illusion123 wrote: Couldn't agree more it's disgraceful dealers who care about magic are stocking it . The wow gimmick is fantastic and I use it all the time with amazing reactions really bad show giving away effects like this as a magic set stocking filler there are no morals in magic ! Yes don't like sets including TT, s either but when used properly they are never seen but the wow gimmick once they know they secret you are screwed before the effect begins . I will still use because the vast majority of specs still won't have seen and a decent hobbyist wont go opening their mouths and spoiling the effect for others . |
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Dominic Reyes Inner circle Got to a gig too early so wrote his 1398 Posts
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On Nov 15, 2015, Tarik Flash wrote: I don't think you need to worry Tarik. Magic kits have included sponge balls, the cups and balls, linking rings etc for years, but pro's still use them with great success. You will be performing it to a much higher standard, with an entertaining and unique presentation. If a kid has that set, they will love seeing the magic prop used by a professional in a way they never thought possible... It's a balancing act really... We all want to introduce and push forward the next wave of young magicians.. A strong kit of modern effects, gives benefits that far outweigh the costs long term. I doubt you will find you need to retire WOW, but if you DID there's so much more magic out there to keep your act up-to-date and evolving. The only thing that never changes, is the need for change. Hope this helps Dominic
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T.G. Jones Elite user 489 Posts
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Good post Dominic. No need to worry, with a good presentation the use of the prop will fly by even those who own it in a kit at home.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 2863 Posts
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On Nov 15, 2015, T.G. Jones wrote: I agree up to a point but I have found that wow is under used by pro performers and yet it is one of the best transposition gimmicks ever brought out in recent years . I want to keep it under used 😉 , but do agree it probably won't be used by kids in the way it should be . My routine with it is so different than the basic effect that on reflection I doubt it It will be an issue . |
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Richard Kaufman Inner circle 2391 Posts
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Masuda's "Wow" has been so heavily pirated that it's available for $5 in most parts of the world. People have been selling it to the public for years on the Internet.
I wouldn't worry about it. |
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5103 Posts
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I found very sad that copyrighted material is sold in this type of products. Gave credits without any creative addition doesn't do any to the fact that you are basically stealing and getting money from an idea of other person.
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bombaclot New user 21 Posts
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On Nov 30, 2015, Amirá wrote: That's all Dynamo does, isn't it? AFAIK he doesn't invent anything, just has a lot of consultants who he pays money to invent things for him. As long as the originators of the effects in his box are getting paid and it's not just cheap knock offs like a chinese copy WOW, and everything is credited, then it's all good. Just a shame the kit won't come with stooges or camera tricks. 
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Dominic Reyes Inner circle Got to a gig too early so wrote his 1398 Posts
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To be fair to Dynamo.. Most magicians do that. Copperfield has consultants inventing too. We all buy and perform magic invented by other magicians. You don't have to be an inventor to be a performer.
This kit is going to introduce magic to a lot of the next generation of magicians.
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bombaclot New user 21 Posts
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I just can't work out how the people that invented the stuff he is selling can be getting fairly compensated looking at the price. Does anyone know for sure if it is a real Mesuda WOW gimmick for example, or just a cheap chinese copy?
If the originators are being paid properly, then great, but surely the set would have to be about 200 quid for that to work?? |
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Tim Trono Inner circle 1108 Posts
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The effects shared are done so with permission from the creators. I really applaud Dynamo as this was important for him and quite possibly the first time someone didn't just rip every item. Obviously this makes the kit an incredible value as stated in this thread.
And the magic is just great. As an example, wait until you see the two routines using Wow. There is a great coin in bottle, a strong effect with headphones, Self Tying Shoelace, some great card magic (includes an amazing marked deck by Bill Kalush that I could easily see being the new standard). Dynamo's goal was to provide great magic that will make people successful if they wish to learn magic. He specifically wanted to avoid much of the usual items in kits and only include things he'd carry and use. I spoke to him a couple of weeks ago and he stated he could go out and do a full evening of walk around magic using the magic included in the kit. Hope that helps. Tim Trono |
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bombaclot New user 21 Posts
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So is it an original Mesuda WOW gimmick? I get that permission was sought, but is it a cheap copy or an original?
Thanks for the reply Tim, I just can't fathom that it can be sold at that price with an authentic WOW gimmick! |
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pegasus Inner circle England 7335 Posts
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On Dec 1, 2015, Tim Trono wrote: You've done a great job Tim. These are fantastic. |
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illusion123 Regular user Wolverhampton, England 119 Posts
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I'm still using the WOW Gimmick in my professional close up set because it's so good, and I am waiting for someone to say "I've got that". Including the WOW gimmick in Dynamo's magic kit as cheapened this fantastic effect for me, as it's become available to a lot more people. I think I'm going to get permission and bring out a magic set of someone else's ideas that professional magicians use to make a living, and make it available to Jo public (not really). Sorry just how I feel.
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 3577 Posts
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Got one today for my daughter. Top notch. Best magic kit I've ever seen bar none. So nice that someone finally put in the time, effort and thought to put together a first class magic kit instead of the dozens and dozens of cheap kits on the market that all include the same 20 tricks. It's no stretch to say that this is the first ever "professional" quality magic set.
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Kuroth Veteran user Deep In the Heart of Texas 315 Posts
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Any place to get this in the US? Amazon don't have it.. Penguin don't have it..
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