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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I enjoy the way others want to claim how certain people feel and what the intent is. It must be a certain amount of superiority to presume to think for others.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote: I'm not "thinking for" anyone; I'm just saying that I don't believe anyone who kills for fun and claims not to feel superior to that which he kills. That's one I'd be happy to bet on and let a polygraph be the referee.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I was sort of talking more about Laurie but ok.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
You guys mean to say that humans are not taught that they are morally superior to animals? You've never seen that?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
. Must've caught me in an overly defensive state.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
I about expect Danny to disagree with me if I say the Café is green, and that's fine, let it stand, might open some eyes around here.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: I don't necessarily believe that for all hunters, meat eaters, etc. Subsistence, acceptance, appreciation, gratitude, recognition that we're all connected and we all get through by standing on the shoulders of others address that point. I see that acknowledgement blatently lacking on the part of humans quite often. In contrast, I think animals live in the now and appreciate life and the living much more fully and with obvious recognition of the circle of life. Pardon me if I'm veering on a tangent, but to me it's all about life so I don't really consider that I'm going off topic... ever! Something I've been thinking about lately is whether it would help if we stopped naming and numbering the days. ie. goodbye calendar. I think we'd see a huge shift in the way people think. There'd be an alignment with the overwhelming fact that each day is brand new and tomorrow it will be no more but if we're lucky we'll see another brand new day and realize what a gift it is right now. Thanks for listening. Appreciated. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
^^^But how old would you be?^^^
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
But how would we know when hunting season begins?
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Do you feel superior to your dog or cat? If you tell them what to do or try to modify their behavior you must be superior to them to do so. Otherwise, you would let them do what they wanted. As to hunting, I think it's about what you view as food. Maybe that's being superior. I don't think about being superior to a steak, but under your definition I am. If you don't eat meat, do you consider yourself superior to the plant you murder to survive? I'm using the royal you here. Just taking your argument a little further. |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2015, landmark wrote: Really, which part? Stone crab is harvested by taking one claw. And, the CA killers were inflamed by their religion. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Good point. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2015, magicalaurie wrote: I have seen many people taught many things. As "humans" no we are not taught that we are morally superior to animals. You painting everyone with that brush is nonsense. And to act as morally superior as you seem to with the way you post about it is truly strange. Many cultures are taught to respect nature. To give back, to conserve. To paint all "humans" because of your own experience is naive or convenient or lazy intellectually. Nothing more.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
In the end, it's about what can be used. I don't think it's about superiority. We use animals because we need to. We use them for food or to do work for us. If being a user of animals is acting morally superior, then anytime you use something else, you will be superior to it. We only use animals because they are at the moment something other than us. We could still use covered wagons, but we have a better answer. We used to use whales for light, now we don't. I don't think anybody was making moral calculations. You may say the fact that used a whale for that is the problem. We didn't have other choices at the time (economical, available, etc). Now we do, so we don't kill whales like that anymore. Except Japan and Eskimos/first/native/indigenous. Are we morally superior the Eskimos because we don't kill whales? You got me. Am I morally superior to potatoes. I don't know, but I use/eat them. Complicated issue. Except for the Eskimos - they're wrong
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2015, The Hermit wrote: As an aside, we don't need to eat animals. But to the main thrust of your point, I think it doesn't account for the specific example of sport hunting. There's a difference between having farm animals that work and killing something primarily because you find it fun.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2015, The Hermit wrote: [JEFF HAS EDITED HERMIT'S COMMENT TO MAKE A POINT:] Two things: I changed a couple of words to make a point. No offense, please. Also, I find any argument that says "I don't think anybody was making moral calculations" to be a rather weak argument against those who are attempting to make moral calculations. |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
I didn't paint everyone, Danny. "As 'humans' no we are not taught that we are morally superior to animals." is plainly false.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
So I, most of my family and most of my friends are them not human? When do you stop speaking for everyone and start just speaking for yourself?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2015, stoneunhinged wrote: Did we eat slaves? I'm confused here. |
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Well yes, I NEED to eat animals! I love meat, lol! On your other point, yes, I tell my three boys, "If you shoot a bird with your BB gun then you have to eat it!". Well- needless to say they do not shoot animals! LOL!
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