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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
Yes, I do agree
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seadog93 Inner circle 3200 Posts |
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On Nov 21, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Oh!, right. (blush)
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Nov 21, 2015, lunatik wrote: Yes, I have. Here, I'll cut and paste: It was the punch that knocked her out. Not the kick. She was defenseless when she got kicked, maybe even already unconcious. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
She was certainly very disoriented.
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
Definitely. And hey, maybe the kick was necessary to seal the deal, but in my opinion, Holms was already out after the punch. I certainly didn't expect Holms to stand around and wait to see if the punch was sufficient. She instinctively delivered the next blow.
Its the referee's job to stop the fight and protect the fighters. Unless it's the ref from the Holmes/ Spinks fight. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yes I agree wholeheartedly. The ref has the job to protect. Many a times I have seen fighters protest the stoppage, but error on the side of caution is good. The fighters go bell to bell. Too many times a fighter recovers if they let up. Her instinct to keep on her was right.
It is possible that the kick, or even ab feather might have been enough to do Rousey in at that point. Nobody really knows. I just keep hoping for ol Slim to come back and prove his nonsense about all the big fights being fixed. Though since it was his dad who said it that explains a lot about Slim himself.
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seadog93 Inner circle 3200 Posts |
Which big fights are supposed to have been fixed?
I would assume that his father is talking about boxing, ...I don't know anything about that. Chael Sonnet says all the PRIDE fights were fixed. ...of course you can't take too much of what Chael Sonnet says seriously, but it's so fun to listen to him say it!
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Fights have been fixed in the past, and continue to be. But the fixed fights are in a minority, a very tiny minority.
A simple way of fixing a fight is to cheery-pick opponents who will crumble easily then sell the fight as an even contest. But in general what you see in boxing is the reality. It is not staged like professional wrestling.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
There is a line between fixing and cherry picking like Lewis. Fixing implies in my mind fighters doing less than their best.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2015, magicfish wrote: Maybe already unconscious?!?!? You've got to be kidding........ As Danny said, she was definitely very disoriented.
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rowdymagi5 Inner circle Virginia 3616 Posts |
Of course a lot depends on who is doing the kicking and punching. A lot of old timers might remember Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. His kicking power was legendary. And I am talking about high kicks to the face. Bill Wallace was 5'10" and I have seen him kick opponants that were 6'5" in the face with tremendous power.
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
Yes it does depend, usually.
But when you charge in to the incoming fist of a professional pugilist with your jaw, it's often lights out regardless of which one delivers it. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Nov 23, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote: Yea the "all things being equal" phrase needs to apply.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Facts as I see them:
Rousey and Holms fought. Rousey lost. I wish she had won. I am disappointed. I want to see a rematch. The End.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On Nov 23, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote: Yes - but he had a less than 50% knockout rate. A boxer with that sort of knockout rate would be considered a weak puncher. Which underlines the point that it is punching that typically produces the knockouts, not kicking.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Nov 23, 2015, TonyB2009 wrote: What are the percentages of connected punches to the head vs connected kicks to the head? Also, mma and kickboxing being separated. Off that data, it would be interesting to see the results.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Lunatic, it doesn't really matter what percentage of those knockouts were from kicks or punches. He is one of the sport's big hitters, and clearly he isn't that big a hitter. But from what I see of his record on line only one of the knockouts mentions a kick.
In MMA the knockouts generally come from punches. We remember the kicks because they are spectacular, but they are not typical.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Nov 23, 2015, TonyB2009 wrote: I think if some are saying that punches are way more powerful to the head than a kick, it'd be interesting to see the percentages.
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts |
A properly thrown punch, ie, reasonably straight away from the body with the fulcrum coming from the shoulder and the whole of the upper torso rocking forward to back up the punch is with out a doubt more powerful than a swinging leg kick. The swinging leg kick is the equivalent of a hook, which is far less powerful than a well delivered right/left cross. I'm sure someone will pipe up with the physics,regarding inertia or some other force that I'm not sure of.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I'm just going to pipe up with your right.
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