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Geeraff12 New user Tasmania, Australia 74 Posts |
Story about Yale University and Harvard combining resources in 1950's to study paranormal abilities. Hundreds of tests devised and thousands of students tested, the following was one of the tests that used a pack of cards
Stack shuffled by performer. the four 8's are removed and discarded. Stack divided into 2 packets of 24 by dealing off the top 24 cards. The spectator is asked which packet he wants to use. The other half is kept for later. The spectator is asked how many times he wants to cut the chosen pack, the pack is cut that many times by either the performer or the spectator. Cards are dealt face down from the top of the deck into an inverted triangle of 10 cards (from the view of the performer) by the performer.The remaining 14 cards are held face down by the performer Spectator is told he will be asked to concentrate, clear his mind and focus on the cards in the triangle. He will be asked whether the bottom card of the packet is the same or different in value to the card in the triangle pointed to by the performer (suits do not matter). The Performer points to a card in the triangle deals off the bottom card and explains that if the spectator says "different" the card is placed perpendicularly on top of the card indicated to in the triangle. If the spectator says "same" the bottom card is dealt directly on to the indicated card so it is orientated the same. The different orientation reminding us of the spectators choices at the end. The demonstration card is placed back on top of the packet in the performers hand and on direction of the performer the spectator is asked "same?" or "different?" for each card in the triangle to the bottom card in the performer's packet. "different"cards are placed perpendicularly and "same"cards are placed in the same orientation. Once all ten cards are covered the "different" cards are turned over and shown all to be different. The "same" cards are turned over explaining that the chances of guessing same cards are astronomical. All same cards are shown to be the same value. I've been doing this effect for >15 years. It gets the best reactions and can be repeated with the other half of the packet that was discarded at the beginning. I'd love to know it's origins, I lost the book I learned it from a long time ago. I think it was a smallish paper-back with green cover might have been a Dover book. Anyone know the source of this great effect? |
pixsmith Regular user 184 Posts |
Are they shown in place, or are they gathered and then shown? If the latter, it sounds similar to Bro. John Hamman's The Million to One Chance from the LePaul book but I do remember the perpendicular card thing from something else, and thinking the same thing when I read it. I'm interested now in the source as well.
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Geeraff12 New user Tasmania, Australia 74 Posts |
Thanks pixsmith. Cards are shown in their pairs one by one in place. Glad though it rings a bell for someone. Probably a performance video is the best idea. How's best to do one of those so that the magic Café can watch? ?Youtube?
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts |
Sure, good idea.
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Geeraff12 New user Tasmania, Australia 74 Posts |
Hi all, Wow Youtube not as straight forward as you think. Here it is. Not my crispest performance. It works everytime, my favourite trick. I've been using it for >15 years anyone know where it came from?
https://youtu.be/dIStDiJezzs |
Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Boy, I'm flabbergasted! Please check out my routine called GUESS QUOTIENT - the very first item in BEST OF FRIENDS, Volume 3. Almost the same effect, which I originally saw done with ESP cards. I explain it all at the start of the trick. An anywhere, anytime, impromptu effect. Not trying to sell you anything. Know why? None left to sell! Best - HL.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
RiderBacks Loyal user 251 Posts |
The three volumes of Best of Friends have been on my wish list for awhile.
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RiderBacks Loyal user 251 Posts |
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On Nov 27, 2015, Geeraff12 wrote: Hi all, Wow Youtube not as straight forward as you think. Here it is. Not my crispest performance. It works everytime, my favourite trick. I've been using it for >15 years anyone know where it came from? I'd recommend (in a friendly fashion) not leaving that video up indefinitely or at least having it not be listed.. The method can be reconstructed quickly from the video performance of the effect. One can also easily pause on the spread. What has to be the obvious baby sleight is also flashed repeatedly, confirming the suspicion. Nice effect. I like it. |
RiderBacks Loyal user 251 Posts |
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On Nov 29, 2015, Harry Lorayne wrote: Boy, I'm flabbergasted! Please check out my routine called GUESS QUOTIENT - the very first item in BEST OF FRIENDS, Volume 3. Almost the same effect, which I originally saw done with ESP cards. I explain it all at the start of the trick. An anywhere, anytime, impromptu effect. Not trying to sell you anything. Know why? None left to sell! Best - HL. ORLY? http://www.harryloraynemagic.com/best-of-friends-3.html http://www.harryloraynemagic.com/magic-e-books.html That said, if someone asks for a source, and the source is in your book, it seems just fine to point them to it. No pretense required as that isn't shameless self-promotion. ;-) It's totally legit self-promotion. |
Geeraff12 New user Tasmania, Australia 74 Posts |
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On Nov 29, 2015, Harry Lorayne wrote: Thank you Mr Lorayne. Your Best of Friends look to be as you've said on another thread "the good stuff". They are certainly on my list to get but they are in a long line of books, articles, DVDs I want to read/watch but there are only so many hours in a day. From what I can tell from another thread and from Denis Behr's archive that its a very similar effect with four, four of a kinds, and the same question answered by the spectator. The numerous times it is mentioned on the magic Café it is universally admired. But while its method is no doubt identical I guess it isn't the source. Now I'm sure I read and owned this mystery book in the mid 90's and your Best of Friends was published in 2007. Now I fully concede that that effect and the method are yours for Guess Quotient but its not the source I'm looking for. I too concede that you may have shown another author GQ and someone developed this effect from that, In which case you are indeed the source. Riderbacks, I've taken the post down not only on your recommendation but also following a thread Mr Lorayne started on poor quality Youtube videos a few years ago. In reviewing the video I put on the quality of the execution is very poor. It doesn't reflect how I do it to a genuine audience where I move my hands much more and misdirect. I was quite embarrassed by the video to be honest. I have altered the patter a little from the way it was taught in the book and the stack in the book was much simpler I've mixed that up a bit as the original stack was a bit revealing in the final showdown. Again trawling through the threads relating to GQ there was one thread where there was a certain combination of answers (however unlikely) that didn't work. With this effect it works whatever order the spectator says same or different even if they say all different or all the same, although in the final showdown its is revealing. I mostly direct subtly of course that it is much more amazing if the spectator mixes things up a bit. Another thought was a gambling scam where 10 different spectators are used and each one is individually shown the bottom card and then the card in the pyramid and are then asked to make their choice same or different and to put a wager on. If 10 different people are used and the glimpses are not shown to anyone else the performer can control who wins and who loses. Anyway just thoughts. I read some reviews that talked about the baby sleight and they made for very interesting reading. The thread that asks "is it dead?" was a great thread. I have in mind that it could be done from the top with a second deal but I have an issue with this (quite apart from the fact I cant do that very well either). I guess this is the first lesson I've learned from Magic Café and a valuable one it has been. I look forward to more. Thank you Mr Lorayne and Riderbacks. |
Geeraff12 New user Tasmania, Australia 74 Posts |
Found it. In Bob Longe's book "101 amazing card tricks" page 81 entitled 'ESP'.
Stack can be set up using Harry Lorayne's Guess Quotient set-up with anti-faros from chosen packets of each value. Guess Quotent just as strong and quicker to set up. |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
Geeraff, it took you one year to find out the source of this effect?
Anyway, thank you for posting the source. I read the thread and it got me interested in this effect. |
Geeraff12 New user Tasmania, Australia 74 Posts |
Every minute of every day scouring the tinterweb. I feel like I need a lie down.
G PS It is fun. as I've been trying to develop good seconds, I think there is probably a version that uses seconds instead of the taught method in the book. |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
Well I don't know the method (yet), but from what you're saying (seconds), I'd guess that the original version uses the g***e? If that's the case, it's an excellent sleight when well executed, though it has to be justified in the context of an effect. You could say something like "Some may think that the cards are marked on the back, they are not, but I'm going to take them out from the bottom of the pack, so that even if they were marked, the marks would not help me." The wording is not great, but you get the idea.
I'll buy the Longe book. Which method/effect do you prefer, Longe's or HL's? |
Geeraff12 New user Tasmania, Australia 74 Posts |
Hi Claudio
First of all a correction. ESP is on page 27 of the Longe book 101 Amazing Card tricks. ESP vs Guess Quotient. Easily Guess Quotient is a much better punchier professional effect as with all HL's work a jaw dropper. I'll PM you details about the impromptu full deck version of ESP I came up with via principles from Guess Quotient. I'm not sure it's practical though, would appreciate your opinion. G |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
OK G. I'll be happy to.
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