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vinsmagic
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Bob G
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Wow! Thanks for posting, Vinny.

Bob
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Can’t find any..

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On Mar 27, 2021, dave_matkin wrote:
Anyone seen or have a report on the Matrix Kit By Tony Clark?
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Hi folks,


I'm trying to ask a question about a matrix technique without revealing any secrets. Moderators, feel free to delete this if I'm not successful.


Harry Lorayne published a "reverse assembly" by Ed Marlo (Apocalypse v. 1 no. 11 Jan 1988), in which four coins are covered by one card, then the other three cards are laid out to form the usual square, and when the cards are removed the coins have more or less instantly traveled to the four corners. (Much like the ends of Mike Rubenstein and Ed Oschmann's routines in the videos above, except that the audience actually sees all four coins at one corner before they're covered and dispersed.) I'm looking for a coin *assembly* (as opposed to reverse assembly) that uses the same technique that Marlo used, which basically involves sandwiching some things between other things.


The assembly by Takagi that NicholaD25 mentioned also uses this technique (as described by Richard Kaufman in his book on Takagi's work), but there's some other stuff going on. I'm looking for something pretty straightforward that uses the same technique.


To give you an idea of what I want to accomplish, I want to do a slow coin assembly followed by a quick "disassembly" to the corners, and I want spectators to actually see the four coins together before they part company. I may simply want to learn Al Schneider's Matrix for the first part, and then use Marlo's Reverse assembly. But I thought that I might learn Marlo's "reverse" assembly more easily if I first learned a "forward" assembly that used the same technique that Marlo had used.


Mr. Lorayne mentions in his write-up of Marlo's trick that he had previously published some coin assemblies using that technique, but with only one coin at a time. I don't have the full run of Apocalypse, just a few individual years. Maybe someone who has the full run could tell me which issues are relevant? Or suggest another source?


I'm looking for something ungaffed with exactly four coins and four cards.


Thanks so much for any help people can offer.


Bob
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Puzzling post there Bob.
Apocalypse volume 1 was in 1978 with issue 11 in November.
Volume 2 issue 11 has a Paul Gertner item Reverse Assembly.
The Gertner item uses a gaff and more than four coins.

Where did you find the Marlo Reverse Assembly?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Sorry for the confusion, Jon. The correct reference is Apocalypse v. 11 no. 1 Jan 1988: I exchanged the volume and issue numbers.


Marlo's Simplex Reverse Matrix starts on p. 1445. At the beginning of the piece Lorayne refers to the Gertner version. A bit later he says, "The move that follows is, apparently, a
card cheater's 'check cop.' It has already been applied to a coin matrix routine (years ago - here in Apocalypse), but to steal ('cop') only one coin. What Edward does here is to steal two coins, putting him way 'ahead.'"


In a nutshell, I'm looking for the trick that had appeared earlier ("years ago") in Apocalypse, and which uses the check cop. I'm hoping that the earlier routine is an assembly (not a reverse assembly), and is ungaffed and uses just four coins. Or, perhaps someone has such a routine, also using the check cop, elsewhere.


While I'm clarifying and correcting mistakes: I looked more closely at the Takagi routine, and it *doesn't* use the check cop.


I hope (??!!) I've made it clear now what I'm looking for.
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On Apr 23, 2022, Bob G wrote:
In a nutshell, I'm looking for the trick that had appeared earlier ("years ago") in Apocalypse, and which uses the check cop.

What you are looking for is (probably) in Apocalypse Vol.8 N.6 page 1074: "The Heat Is On" by Robert Bengel.
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Hi Degio, nice to hear from you. I appreciate the time you took to look this up. Now to ebay to see if I can find the relevant volume or issue.

Later: found it, together with another issue that has a Jon Townsend "two-ahead" "matrix." (Thanks, Jon! Smile ) (Matrix in quotes because Al Schneider used the word for his own coin assembly.)

Thanks,

Bob
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I really like Dean Dill's "No Extras." It's very clever way to do matrix with only 4 coins. You can learn it in Metal 2 by Eric Jones.
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I thought Magic Ian's "Matrix Reloaded" and "Triple Transposition Matrix" should be mentioned, but my DVD copy of the 1977 VHS will not play now (damage)????

Does anyone have a copy?
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Rannie Raymundo's 4 Coins 4 Cards 1 Hand.

Vinnie has it on his website.
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