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Timtom New user Sweden 56 Posts |
Don’t know if this is a bit of strange question but I have a bit of melt down, I need some inspiration/tips for my card and sponge ball practice . When I practice, I use to do one move and one move only at anytime. That gets a bit boring so I need some tips to make the practice more fun. Say like doing several different types of cutting or different type of shuffles or some nice combos just to get some nice flow and make the practice more fun. Any tip are welcome.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Practice an effect/routine, not just the sleight. Practice the sleight that's part of that effect/routine - otherwise, most often, you're wasting your time.
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
The master has spoken. Harry knows of what he speaks. They don't come any better than him.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
Well Roberto Giobbi often suggests to put together a kind of kata of different moves and sleights and practise the sequence over and over, rather that just practising one move. This should keep your moves polished better and be less boring.
But then, and I agree with Harry, you should practise an effect and/or routine that uses that/those moves. After all, that should be your goal. Mark |
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Timtom New user Sweden 56 Posts |
Thanks Harry! I will think about that so its not only isolated sleights I practice, more all of the effect/routine to get a flow.
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HarryB Regular user South Texas 127 Posts |
Timtom,
I don't want to quote someone without the book right in front of me, but I recently read that at first a sleight seems relatively easy. The second phase in practice is that it becomes more difficult and mistakes are made. The third phase is that you are getting the sleight down and practice becomes somewhat or downright boring. You have to power through this to get to the fourth phase. That phase is when the sleight becomes beautiful. I am currently studying "Recharmed, I'm sure" by Lance Pierce. There is a sleight in the routine that I found hard to get down. I went through all of the above phases with it and now it is finally approaching the fourth stage. Now I am practicing the effect in it's entirety and seem to be going through all of the phases again with the effect. All of the boring practice with the sleights is now paying off as I see the whole effect coming together. |
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SamChak Elite user 478 Posts |
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On Jan 7, 2016, Timtom wrote: Hi Tim, you can modify the routine by adding constructive elements, or eliminate any element that does not enrich the presentation, to suit your style, the theme, the script, and the audience. Try studying related performances by the great magicians like Harry Lorayne (must check his videos and books!) and include the elements of suspense and surprise to captivate your spectators. They are many vanishing and production techniques for cards and sponge balls that you can creatively incorporate in the routine. Keep in mind that too flashy moves will diminish the magical impact. All HaLo and Ultra moves are excellent and down-to-earth techniques of universal applicality in Card Magic. |
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Timtom New user Sweden 56 Posts |
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On Jan 8, 2016, HarryB wrote: Yes, it can be like I have hit phase 2 or 3 and just need to get past that |
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Timtom New user Sweden 56 Posts |
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On Jan 8, 2016, SamChak wrote: Hi SamChak! No Im not after to flash moves, it was more like: If I play basketball with my friends I don't practice I just play with out to stop and think if my x-over was good or not and I was looking for something the same when it come to magic, as magic is my Hobby not my job I like to use times like when I look at a movie I like to play with a deck or sponge balls but it gets boring just to do one move over and over again and just wounder if anyone hade some set of moves they like to do when they look at a movie or do something where you cant practice a rutin or effect. |
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SamChak Elite user 478 Posts |
At leisure time, I practiced the Spread Cull on full deck Red/Black separation and then followed by a perfect out-Faro shuffle, and keep repeating the cycle for months until they became second nature to me.
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Timtom New user Sweden 56 Posts |
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On Jan 8, 2016, SamChak wrote: Thanks Sam! I cant say that Im ready for a spread cull and faro shuffle but I will sure write it down to use later. |
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Dave Razor New user Branson, Missouri 6 Posts |
Have to concur, practice the whole routine you are trying to learn. The moves will become natural and second nature.
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pmarzionna New user Washington, DC 81 Posts |
I save the "one sleight practice at a time" for when that's the most that I can do in a certain situation. For instance, when riding a bus, or when a passenger in a car, I can't practice a full effect, but that does not mean that I can't practice some kind of palming, shuffle or any other card or coin sleight. Other than that, I would go with Harry's suggestion: practice routines, not sleights.
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
I know I'm resurrecting a thread here but, well. .we can't all read everything when it's current! 😀
I've just started out and I truly want to be the best! A tall order I know. I find advice such as is given here, invaluable because I really didn't know that practicing moves alone, or sleights, would be wasting my time. I've picked up about 6 moves for now and I practice them when I can. An hour here, 2 hours there, when I'm traveling passenger seat in a car or watching TV. I know that I need to start learning actual tricks - of which I know perhaps 5 or 6 - but I'm not so enamoured with the tricks I've learned thus far. I'm learning from the royal road to card magic and I fear those tricks are somewhat dated. I like them, but I'm perhaps not confident in them enough yet. Would it be best for me to start setting hours aside where I do nothing but practice the tricks in their entirety? Is that the best way? All advice is welcomed.
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Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." - S.H. Sharpe |
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ThSecret Regular user 147 Posts |
@Heron, you could have made your own thread on that topic entirely for yourself. But since you did resurrect this thread, is Harry Lorayne still around these forums?.. because I am learning some of his tricks from his video series, and its cool to see he's actually around here to! That is awesome!
And as for your question, yes! I'm currently doing what you are as well, picking up some moves and just practicing them while watching tv or sitting or doing anything. But it is also important to practice the trick in its entirety, and then in front of a mirror, and then record yourself doing it, as you want to learn the entire trick just as you learnt the move. Then refine it and see what you can improve or if you are flashing cards, and what not. That practice will really help when you're actually performing for others!
"A play does not take place on stage but in the minds of the spectators."
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
Yeah I think I'll start a thread next time!
Time for me to get these tricks down then. I'm looking forward to it really. It isn't great when someone asks what you've been learning and you stumble after showing 1 or 2 tricks. . Think I'll begin today's practice with a trick and stay with it. Thanks for your response. 👍
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Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." - S.H. Sharpe |
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3086 Posts |
In the context of a routine it is important to practice the timing and transition utilizing those individual sleights.
Look up Paul Harris' Tap Dancing Aces for example. (Stars of Magic DVD Series) You will learn multiple sleights that must flow one after the other. This is one of the rourines I would perform over and over day after day untill I could do it without even thinking about it. Over time build your sleight inventory and practice routines utilizing those sleights. Way more fun and productive. Also the more sleights you know the more you can cover up mistakes and go in a different direction. Yes you will mess up. But your spectators don't have to know that. HAVE FUN!
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT! It's an old motto or slogan. It sounds good.
(HERE COMES THE 'BUT'): But, it aint true. PRACTICE with the guidance, coaching, or mentoring, of a qualified, successful mentor, CAN MAKE PERFECT! When I was beginning, I was not quite 14, in the summer of 1945. I had practiced, and, my first two "club dates" (my dad's lodge, and a local church mens' club) paid $3.00 (EACH!). Thus encouraged, I called on the principal of our Junior High School, and booked an assembly program (on percentage!). We charged ten cents admission. I got 50%! My share was $26.00, for a 40 minute show! (Grown men were working all week for that much money! Practice and preparation had paid off! Here comes another "but": but, my practice had been very inefficient! Looking back, I succeeded, "in spite of myself"! Then, I met two well qualified, successful, professional magicians in one year. From then on, practice was much more productive. They became my mentors. I hadn't even heard that word before! Awhile back I struck up an acquaintance, on the Café, with Gerald Edmundson, another old, successful, retired, full time pro. He had written an 82 page book ("The Ostrich Factor" -- A practice guide for magicians). EUREKA! (that's Greek for, "I have found it"! It's a clearly written, practical guide for practicing! It won't make practicing easier, (here comes the "but": but, it will guide you through an efficient, system. that will produce good results. Interested? Contact: gerald@geraldedmundson.com http://www.geraldedmundson.com
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
Sounds like a valuable book. I will put it on my ever growing list!
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Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." - S.H. Sharpe |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
If you're really serious, add the TARBELL COURSE to your list. You can buy one volume at a time (there are eight!) Doc Tarbell's "patter" is archaiC, and, his presentation style, is also, a bit out of fashion. Here comes the "but"! --But, you will learn PRINCIPLES, that can be easily updated.
Also, add Ken Weber's "Maximum Entertainment" to your list. Magic is NOT INHERENTLY ENTERTAINING! Weber will help you learn how to make magic ENTERTAINING.
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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