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ColtonRaelund Regular user COLTON ZOROASTER RAELUND 116 Posts |
I am looking for some recomendations as to the best silver dollar size palming coins. Because you have to "buy them to try them" I would like to hear some opinions from people who have handled them. For me, they have to meet these specifications;
1. Sharply milled edges. 2. Thin as practicaly possible. 3. Looks like a coin; I have seen a lot of palming coins that look like disks of mirror as opposed to a coin. 4. Sounds good, not like a couterfeit quarter. |
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magojose| Regular user 195 Posts |
The better is use actual coins
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CarpetShark Special user 576 Posts |
As far as I know what you are looking for does not exist, unless you can find palming coins made of silver. Also, why are you avoiding the use of coins ? The best silver dollar sized palming coin is a silver dollar
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ColtonRaelund Regular user COLTON ZOROASTER RAELUND 116 Posts |
Silver dollars are very thick, and very heavy. The idea of being able to palm twice as many coins in one hand was appealing. I see differently now...
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MorrisCH Veteran user 393 Posts |
Barber seem to fit the bills.. but I thought best palming coin is mainly determined by the size of your hand?
some people find liberty works, but other find Morgan works better? |
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bignickolson New user 87 Posts |
For those that are not comprehending, there is a type of coin, called a "palming coin" that is MUCH thinner than a regular coin allowing to palm 2-4 times as many coins as normal. Would most appropriate be for stage work, usually.
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CarpetShark Special user 576 Posts |
Well, I learned something today: there ARE dollar-sized thin palming coins - a quick search turned up these: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S6702 HTH.
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Hare Veteran user 323 Posts |
Real Morgan silver dollars are in every way superior for practical coin work, in my opinion. The sound a heavy silver coin makes against another sounds solid, pleasant and convincing while thin fakes always sound fake. It is also not particularly true that lighter thinner coins are easier to handle. I think that the idea of "more" thinner. lighter fake coins being able to be produced is more of a lazy shortcut and doesn't offer any real benefits. A magician with some skill can make 3 or 4 Morgan dollars appear to be 20 in a more natural/magical looking presentation too, it seems to me.
Morgans do cost more money, but, you always STILL HAVE that money, so that they really "cost" nothing at all. The fakes have no value. In short, a whole bunch of thinner artificial coins stuck in one's paw doesn't trump a couple Morgans and some skill in making them LOOK like a whole bunch. I think this is at least worth considering- especially in the long term.
"Better described in The Amateur Magician's Handbook"
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ColtonRaelund Regular user COLTON ZOROASTER RAELUND 116 Posts |
That was actually great advice, so far as I am concerned!
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ColtonRaelund Regular user COLTON ZOROASTER RAELUND 116 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2016, ColtonRaelund wrote: I was reffering to Hares post! |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On Jan 11, 2016, ColtonRaelund wrote: Palming Coins are used for Stage Magic or stand up Magic only, not close up magic tricks. That is why most only have the creators logo on them. The best Milled edge is Norm Nielsen's Palming Coins which are dollar size now. The only Palming Coin that looks like an Eisenhower Dollar is a chrome one on he market, but it does not have great edges because of the chroming, and it cost $8 for one. I had to use my Jeweler's saw and cut the edge a little so that they hand some grip to them. http://shop.misdirections.com/Palming-Co......454d.htm As previously stated, what you describe does not exist. If you want to use real silver dollars, the old one's are the thinnest, but as you also want a great milled edge, you would have to have them re-milled. Unless wand to buy near perfect coins, and that would cost you a whole heap of money for one coin. Although at the price of current palming coins, it may be just a good to do this instead of paying the high priced palming coins. Now you will run into the problem of the more detailed the coin, the more the will talk, as one coin slides over the other, do to the impressions on the coin. That is why most magicians like the worn down coins more. You can go to a National Bank and get Eisenhower clad coins for a dollar, or you can buy them from Penguin Magic, http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S12131 for $7.50 each. There are pros and cons to any choice you will make. |
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CarpetShark Special user 576 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2016, Hare wrote: While I agree nothing beats the real thing, I believe there is a place for 'fakes' in practical coin magic - They are great for beginners who may not want to invest in a set of silver Morgans, you can loose or drop one with little consequence, and they let me play with softening and remilling. I feel the use of silver coins greatly enhances the experience for the performer, while the vast majority of specs don't know or care what kind of coins are in use. Just my two Halves worth. |
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Larry Stangel New user Rhode Island 93 Posts |
I use Norm Neilsen palming coins, check his web site they seem to be exactly what you're looking for and the price is more than reasonable.
http://www.nnmagic.com/magicitems/manipulationpage.htm
"you could look it up" Casey Stengel
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bpearce Regular user 141 Posts |
Found these, though they are the size of an ACTUAL Silver Morgan Dollar and technically are steel replicas. Looks pretty decent, milled edges and looks just like the real deal. The video demo was a little dark, but if the images are anything to go buy then it looks pretty good.
http://madhattermagicshop.com/magicshop/......id=10256
There will always be someone better at some things than you are. There will always be someone worse at some things than you are. All you can really do in the end, is aim to be better than you were yesterday.
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
I'm pretty sure those aren't palming coins. Palming coins are very thin (and light), so that you can palm (and then produce) a large number of them at once. They also tend to be very shiny, so they show off in the light. See Bill's post a few back.
Those claim to be the same size and weight as real Mograns, so they're trying to be close to real coins, rather than just for display. While I'm sure they're good *for* palming (with their sharp edges) they're not at all what the original poster was asking after, and a strange thing to suggest over a year later. |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
No, I read it. I also went to Madhatter and watched the video.
Just because the coins are mislabeled in the store doesn't make them palming coins. Palming coins are also technically "replicas", since they're not real coin faces. But I'm not sure what your point is. Go back and reread his original requirements: Quote:
On Jan 11, 2016, ColtonRaelund wrote: You miss on #2, which also implies lightweight, and he used the word sharp (would you prefer crisp? I like it more, too). But it is worth pointing out that not all coins have milled edges (English Pennies, for example), and old, soft coins might have worn-down edges, which can make them more slippery and harder to grip. I'm always happy to help a fellow magician out, so feel free to attack me some more if it makes you feel better. While it might not do a lot to get the community here to welcome you, it does wonders in demonstrating your maturity. |
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kenedho Regular user 192 Posts |
I happen to have some palming coins that are:
1. Sharply milled edges. 2. Thin as practically possible. 3. Looks (kind of) like a (fake) coin - with Morgan Dollar design. 4. Sounds good to me! Though don't expect the ring of silver nor clap of clad coins. |
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bpearce Regular user 141 Posts |
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On Mar 16, 2017, tonsofquestions wrote: I am sorry, but I was in no way intending on attacking you. I was defending what I perceived as an attack from you. I did not randomly just comment out of now where attacking you. I may have over reacted granted, but the way you commented was not exactly polite either and was quite judgemental. I have just as much right to comment on any year old post as you or anyone. If I got information wrong, maybe point it out more positively next time. As for helping me out in the past, even then you were a little judgemental. As for maturity, one negative interaction hardly even qualifies you to (once again) judge me.
There will always be someone better at some things than you are. There will always be someone worse at some things than you are. All you can really do in the end, is aim to be better than you were yesterday.
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
It appears that your previous posts have been deleted, so I can't reference them. But they were pretty incendiary, as was the PM you sent me. It was more than just "defending" yourself.
I wasn't rude, and I didn't judge you. I gently pointed out the link was a bit off topic. I try to help people learn to solve their own questions, and if that involves pointing out that you should try searching first, or reading the original post, then I do so. Sometimes it's important to be told these things. I didn't accuse you of being immature, I said that if you continue to lash out at me, it would be a good indication of it. However, this response demonstrates that you can be (I hadn't come to any conclusion yet), and I appreciate the apology. All that said, I'm happy to discuss more if you'd like, but let's instead take it to PM, to not veer even farther from the original topic. |
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bpearce Regular user 141 Posts |
I sent a PM apologizing for my obviously, incorrectly inferred attack on myself. I will leave that at that. As for the comments I honestly do not know what happened to them, as I did not delete them. Most likely a moderator or the OP.
There will always be someone better at some things than you are. There will always be someone worse at some things than you are. All you can really do in the end, is aim to be better than you were yesterday.
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