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jakeg
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I'm looking at cups. (Not ready to buy, just window shopping.). The ones that have the most aesthetic appeal to me are the Monte and the Johnny Paul designs. Both of these are tapered designs. Is there a disadvantage to them? What about the load?
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It all depends on what you want to do with them. JP cups are designed for a specific type of handling and a different ball. Monti cups are very nice and possibly the most copied cup style out there. aesthetics are one thing, thinking about the routine you want to do, what you want from the cups and handling is another aspect you might want to consider.

The advantage of a tapered cup is that it displays the final load better (higher and exaggerates the size.) The disadvantage is that it can limit some of the moves you may want to perform (or at the least make them a little more work to do.) Again, it depends what you personally want from the cups.
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On Feb 2, 2016, cupsandballsmagic wrote:
It all depends on what you want to do with them. JP cups are designed for a specific type of handling and a different ball. Monti cups are very nice and possibly the most copied cup style out there. aesthetics are one thing, thinking about the routine you want to do, what you want from the cups and handling is another aspect you might want to consider.

The advantage of a tapered cup is that it displays the final load better (higher and exaggerates the size.) The disadvantage is that it can limit some of the moves you may want to perform (or at the least make them a little more work to do.) Again, it depends what you personally want from the cups.


The fact is that I don't really know what I want to do with them. In my mind they are a very flexible piece of magic equipment that adapts themselves to all kinds of routines, all kinds of situations.
Unfortunately, I don't know the right questions to ask that would lead to a rational conclusion on my part. I can't even figure out why I'm suddenly so interested in them, except that I made a list of the magic that fascinated me from the time t first saw it performed, (mostly on the Ed Sullivan Show), along with some other things that have played with my mind, and I would like to learn those that are within my reach. Darned bucket list again.
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Jake,
Please take this with a grain of salt because I too am an amateur. Here is what I would do in retrospect. Buy a good set of videos first. I would recommend Ammar's cups and balls volumes 1 and 2. You can start out with plastic cups and Ammar even has a routine with tea cups to get you started. Play around with some different glasses or cups around your house and see what size of cup makes the moves easiest. There are a couple of moves that you will do a lot. When you find a set that makes the moves easiest then go to RNT2 website and find a set of cups that closely match the dimensions. Donnie has all of the dimensions of the cups on his website. Please let us know how it works out for you even if you don't take my amateur advise:)
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^ Harry talks a great deal of sense Jake Smile
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Thank you guys for the advise. I do have a very old set of cups to work with. A magician passed away about 50 years ago, and this along with other things was given to me. The cups will be fine to learn on. They don't have much weight, but by the time I learn to use them, I should know what direction I want to go.
There really aren't many pieces of equipment that we use that are as personal as the cups. It's like owning a fine musical instrument.
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I second Ammars videos
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You should also peruse the cups and balls museum, that will help greatly. Mr Palmer will arrange a password if you're not already sorted. Be warned though... you'll have to set aside a few days!
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As someone who got the cups and balls bug and did lots of blind exploring, I'll echo that you've been given the best advice in the posts above. If you already have a set of cups, even better -- don't worry about weight, choice of metal, etc. at first. Just play with the moves. Whichever style of cup you have (JP or PF) you can find a cheap set of the other design on eBay if you want to do some hands-on comparison. Have a good time. David
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Jake:

The Monti cups are not a tapered cup. They are a rounded top cup. It's a subtle rounding, similar to a Paul Fox cup. The Johnny Paul cup is a tapered cup. Check the cups and balls museum.
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Jake, another learning tool is the Stevens Teach-In on cps and balls.
Johnny Paul is on there performing and teaching his routine.
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Bill,
if you get a chance could you call me? I have a question for you.

Thanks,
Mad Jake Sr.
For quality Paul Fox Cups spun on Danny Dew's Paul Fox tooling visit us at www.airshipmagic.com
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I always loved the Paul Fox cups and I bought 2 sets from Danny Dew around 1965. But the set I have used for the last decade are imitation Fox cups in heavy, very aged copper. I have always kept in mind that the Fox shape in shiny, polished chrome looks, to the lay public, like a cheap thermos bottle cap. The age and material can off-set that thought. I wish I had a set of Bertram cups, but I missed out back when they were inexpensive.
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