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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Feb 15, 2016, S2000magician wrote: Not quite. For instance, Elsevier allows research / data / results to be published elsewhere. You cannot just republish the same research paper effectively word for word elsewhere. But one certainly can reference and republish the results and data elsewhere. This is done all of the time. https://www.elsevier.com/copyright "Elsevier supports the need for authors to share, disseminate and maximize the impact of their research" Authors "Retain patent, trademark and other intellectual property rights (including raw research data)" But Elsevier certainly wants to be attributed. See the link and its sublinks for all the details. Again, I have been published by Elsevier and have personal experience in these matters.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
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One of the most ridiculous things you have ever written. And I must say that is a competitive title.
Danny Doyle
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Feb 15, 2016, JoeJoe wrote: Try to follow along here JoeJoe: the researcher has given the copyright to the publisher. The researcher owns the research (or, more accurately, the entity that paid the researcher to do the research owns the research), but the publisher owns the copyright. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Feb 15, 2016, balducci wrote: It seems to me that your viewpoint should trump all others in this discussion. That it doesn't is shameful. |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On Feb 15, 2016, S2000magician wrote: Neither balducci nor Elsevier have the authority to write copyright laws, a court's viewpoint will be what trumps everything in this discussion. -JoeJoe
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
You're joking right?
Courts since the inception of this country have written private property laws you do nor respect. Court means nothing to you.
Danny Doyle
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts |
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On Feb 13, 2016, tommy wrote: Wow, it's been a long time since I flashed on Donovon.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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But Elsevier certainly wants to be attributed. Uh, again, hard to give attribution to that which you can't access. An abstract is simply not the same as the original article for research verification purposes.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
In my view, if you sign a copyright transfer agreement to the publisher, then the publisher owns it. Moreover, I think they will try to get you to do just that and I would not sign it if I were you. JoeJoe, I think is one knows. It is a legal matter anyway and so better to speak to a lawyer about it, as opposed to a scientist or a magician.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Feb 15, 2016, JoeJoe wrote: Not surprisingly, you've completely misunderstood the conversation. A court doesn't know whether a researcher transfers the copyright to their research to Elsevier. A researcher who has had research published by Elsevier is likely to know whether the copyright is transferred. Try to keep up. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Just remember all things are free. It is simply a matter of how many oranges it will cost you.
Danny Doyle
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
You Bill are the one that claimed that the publisher owns more than the paper without knowing if or not a copyright transfer agreement had been signed. Without evidence of a copyright transfer we must assume that there is none and all the publisher owns is the paper.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Copyright transfer is pretty standard in this kind of thing. Kind of like The Magic Café. Agree or don't play.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Feb 15, 2016, tommy wrote: I was relying on the testimony from balducci and John. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
So were many who have now frozen to death.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Feb 15, 2016, balducci wrote: Quote: "Why would any self-respecting researcher willingly hand over, for nothing, the copyright to their hard work to an organization that will profit from the work by making the keys prohibitively expensive to the few people who want to read it? The answer is ultimately all to do with career prospects and prestige. Researchers are rewarded in jobs and promotions for publishing in high-ranking journals such as Nature.
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On Feb 15, 2016, S2000magician wrote: As usual he shoots from the hip based on mis-leading headlines and his own bias, and not on the actual content of the conversation. I'm used to it. Quote:
On Feb 15, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote: The courts have never ever written a single law one in the entire history of this country ... laws are written by people, and those people are called "legislators". And they do not write the laws on behalf of private corporations. They write laws on behalf of other people, those people are called "citizens". Quote:
On Feb 15, 2016, S2000magician wrote: Correction: the researcher has given *A* copyright to the publisher ... not *THE* copyright. The publisher is not allowed to have an exclusive copyright on research material, which is what Elsevier is trying to claim. Their attempts to extort this right from researchers is an illegal racketeering scam. The entity that paid the researcher is also being extorted here, not just the researcher. It would be like Steve Brooks telling us that if we make a post here, we are not allowed to post it anywhere else. No ... if you make a post here, you still own the original copyright and have every authority to post it elsewhere. And that is exactly what Elsevier is doing - sending take-down notices to the original researcher demanding they remove their own content from other sites: Quote:
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On Feb 15, 2016, landmark wrote: Can you imagine the uproar if Steve Brooks started sending users take-down notices for posts they made at the Genii forums?? Laughable at best. Like I said, if I were judge I'd lock-up the entire upper management of Elsevier for filing a frivolous lawsuit. They have no authority to tell a researcher they can't publish their own research. -JoeJoe
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
From the Magic Café splash page:
"All contents & postings Copyright © 2001 - 2016 Steve Brooks-All Rights Reserved." Now, I suspect that if I posted a dupe over at Genii, 1) I could claim fair use, and 2) The fine folks who run The Magic Café would not want to look like doofuses. So no problem on that score. But...let's say I wanted to sell an ebook, "The Complete landmark Files," with all my posts. I think if they wanted to, they could stop me. OTOH, what I really want to know is, what are my rights if I want to sell an ebook of "The Complete Censored landmark," all 30,472 of my deleted posts?
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On Feb 16, 2016, landmark wrote: No they could not - the movie industry already learned they can't just write their own copyright laws when they tried to tell Blockbuster they would not allowed to rent their movies. If you give someone a right to copy something, you still own the original copy. In order for them to have an exclusive, you would have to give them the actual something (the research) - not just the right to copy it. Elsevier only has a right to copy their copy of the research, they do not own the actual research and can not claim the researcher that did the research is in violation of "their" copyright by publishing his own research elsewhere. -JoeJoe
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