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David Todd
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Yeah, I know what you mean , Frank.

I did feel guilty about it later for buying them from the Sam Flax art store. (they were only $1.00 ! I went crazy and bought 15 ) . I'm afraid if the manager thinks it's a big selling item he will keep stocking them .

Ironically , Sam Flax is one of THE MOST expensive art supply stores .
I rarely , if ever , buy my art supplies there because their prices are jacked up so high. However, they are close by in my neighborhood and sometimes I'll pop in there to buy something if I'm in a hurry and don't want to drive 10 miles to the cheaper art supply store.
(That's how I discovered they were selling Vernet TT's in their "toy" aisle.)
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On 2004-06-24 02:52, Julie wrote:
Check Jay Scott Berry's (sp?)handling for a tt--even well informed Magic types will be fooled!


Jay Scott Berry, Salvano, Harry Collins and I all hit on a similar handling of the gaffus independently. Slydini also had something similar to it, but not quite the same. I fool magicians with the TT when I use it.

If you are familiar with James Burke's book Connections, then you will understand how several people can come up with a similar idea simultaneously, because of a "catalytic" event. In the case of this move, it was the Vernet TT with the extra length that served as a catalyst. JSB and I have discussed the move many times.
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Myself I find a thumbtip is best used for things like a bill switch (anything that is not your typical thumbtip vanish ,my personal fave use is the uses osterlind uses them for banknight and bill in ciggarete (bill in cigarrete fooled me )
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I personally think the TT is great. We all know the effects that can be produced with it and they are wonderful effects. So, a layman may see them being sold in the local dollar store. And? They could also see bins of them at the local costume and magic shops. Although they see them they don't start immediately thinking, "Oooo...think of all the vanishes, reproductions, restorations, and other miracles this fake thumb thingy can accomplish." No. The "layman" would probably think more along the lines of, "This is about the biggest waste of money for a gag I've ever seen."

My girlfriend and I have been together for a year and she has seen my tips laying here and there. She thinks there funny and yet is absolutely blown away every time a silk disappears and is found in various articles of her clothing. (Well, I have to do something to entertain myself as well.)

Again, I think that the TT is great and there need not be fear of the over exposure in the local dollar store. If a layman is pondering the magical applications of a hollowed out piece of plastic that slips over the thumb then they must not be that much of a "layman".
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Allright no politics - I live in Israel and everytime I walk into a bus station or mall or restaraunt, I get run over with a metal detector. The two tips I regularly use would set off the wand. The simple solution, wear it through security right? until you are walking through with two big bags, and not enough forsight to have it on five minutes before. So I emptied my pockets when asked and a seperate police officer (as opposed to security gaurd) apears out of the blue. "what's that!" (oh no I've been caught) "I saw a finger!" (no not quite caught - he thinks I'm carring body parts!)

"It's an extra - just in case Smile" he saw it was plastic and a joke laughed and moved on.

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On 2004-06-23 22:47, Bill Palmer wrote:

That's absolutely true. However, even if you aren't using a TT and you have some jerk in the front row who goes through the whole explanation for all of his friends, it doesn't matter what you are using. For a layman, ANY solution is the right solution, even if it cannot possibly be correct.

Here's another example. I was doing a strolling show in a downtown mall. One of the items I did was the Scotty York light bulb. I think most of you know how it works. One of the bystanders was busy explaining how it worked to her friend. She had an atomic lamp, and even though, the base of the Scotty York lamp was completely visible to her, and there was no way I could have been using an atomic lamp -- she was convinced that was what was going on.

Nothing can counteract a TDB with a loud voice. Interestingly enough, her explanation started, "I'm a clown and I know how these things operate."

We live in the information age. Anything is available to anyone who wants to know. This forum is even an example of that fact. You can't help it if someone with a little knowledge and a big mouth wants to explain to his or her friend how smart they are by offering correct or incorrect explanations for an effect. You can ignore it and entertain those who are giving you their attention or if they are being disruptive stop and ask them to speak up because they haven't ruined the magic for everyone yet. Maybe with their vast knowledge of magical technique they would like to perform since they are so intent on ruining your show? The answer is both and somewhere in between depending on the situation.
The TT is a tool. Just because you know that you use a saw to cut a board and a hammer to drive a nail doesn't mean you can build a house. Just remember to create magic with your tools and leave the rest to the wind.
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I think almost any non-magician, upon seeing a TT at a dollar store, would think it's a dumb trick meant for kids to do, or a gag. It doesn't look like a serious tool for a pro magician. Other people here have said it, but I think a skilled magician using a TT would fool most people that are vaguely familiar with it.
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TT being sold in dollars store shouldn't be a problem. It's how you handle yourself when someone mention about the TT. But it's a great thing to use.
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Exposing magic is not the fast track to getting on my good side. But it is done.

The real question is does this equal that the secret is out? At times it does! Those times bother me.

But I have also been a university professor with the job of teaching people the "secrets" of Marketing, Management and Finance. They frequently learn it for the "test" in class and fail with the speed of light on the street where there is the real "test". Knowing the secret is not an asset to those who won’t apply it.

I'm not sure "slum magic" is a lot different. Cheaply had usually means "expendable". It lives a short life. It suffers from the same thing as America's social programs. Low to no investment by the beneficiary translates into "soon to be trashed" and there is no learning curve or productive outcome beyond the immediate consumption. In the hands of the public that has no commitment, there is also no intellectual leap! Repetition doesn’t seem to improve recall or function among this group.

We are not safe from everyone, but I feel fairly safe from the uncommitted public. Someone looking to learn magic is quite different from someone learning how it works. That’s why they keep the instructions on how to reset the clock on the VCR. Even with that, often the clock just blinks!

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I will say this, if you have not seen in, Michael Ammar uses a brightly coloured TT for magicians and fools us!! Even when we know how it's done. Tons of things get exposed, most of the lay public doesn't care. Only a handful of beginners and "hecklers" who hate magicians (for whatever reason) who will seek to expose us whether their reasoning is right or not. Don't worry about it. I used to be a Vernet purist, hell if Ammar can use a bright orange one, I can use a $1 one.
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If everybody knows about them, than we're forced to come up with newer and better methods Smile so we win in every situation Smile
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True matt, OR we can find new effects to do with them. How many silk hankies can we vanish, Penn and Teller did us a favor teaching a whoel audiance how vanish a small silk handkerchief.
Although maybe DrWilson will remember when I adapted tehsame Penn and Teller effect with a massive oversozed TT made from a novelty jumbo thumb. It was an inside rtrick, still had a kicker, wasn't for laymen. Got a good laugh.
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Sometimes I think that we are like those three blind men examining an elephant. One holds the tail and thinks it's a snake. Another is feeling the side and insists it's a wall. The third is holding the trunk that thinks it's a (hmmm, can't remember).

It's not the thumb tip. It's not the way that you hold your hands. It's not even entirely the presentation. It's the relationship that you set up with your spectator. If he looks at you as a guy that 'does tricks' then you are schlomazelled. He will be studiously examining your every move and may - MAY - find it. If he sees you as a magician then you could stick the thing in his eye and he'd not see it.

I was doing the snap change card effect for a spectator once when I realized that I hadn't practiced enough. Sure enough, there was the second card hanging out there in plain sight! I calmly and, not too quickly, put the cards back in my hand.

She never noticed anything even though the whole secret was revealed right there in front of her!

As my mentor says, when people see a magician they suspend disbelief.
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Also has anyone found the great similar TT gimick , the <sp?> Sonada Gimmick? I still love that piece. BTW rikbrooks it was a rope a wall and a snake they though they were handling. Dave Williamson also has a great hankie vanish that uses the TT in a unique way.
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On 2004-07-31 19:22, DrNorth wrote:
Also has anyone found the great similar TT gimick , the <sp?> Sonada Gimmick? I still love that piece. BTW rikbrooks it was a rope a wall and a snake they though they were handling. Dave Williamson also has a great hankie vanish that uses the TT in a unique way.


Yes a Sonada Gimmick rocks!! I use mine in cut and restored rope and to produce a sponge ball in specs hand.
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Here's a question. How does a spectator learn what a TT is by googling? If he doesn't know what it is, what does he hunt for?

To those who have never experienced the unruly spectator in the front row, I suggest that it is much more problematic than the same spectator would be at the back of the crowd.
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I have a freind who will wear a TT all day and never be caught, yet if he palms a card for five seconds people will call on the phone to tell him they can see it. It's hard to fake being casual.

I've been doing Jay Sankey's vanishing sugar poured from a packet to the fist. For magicians I will wear a second TT so after the sugar vanishes I can pull off the TT and show it empty. It impresses even though it's on the wrong thumb. This is from a hank vanish that Ben Martin used to do.

I do not presume to question Mr. Palmer's presentation, but if the "How it's Done" is uppermost in a spectator's mind they have not yet become part of the show. They are enjoying a chat with people near them. They feel challenged to solve mystery. Also could be that they are a loud mouth clown wanna-be. But, Repeating, I wasn't there and don't know what I would have done.

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Hecklers are people who, by definition, have taken themselves out of the show and decided they want to dominate it.

The idea of doing the two TT bit is very, very old. Al Baker discussed it in an issue of The Phoenix. It is much earlier than Ben Martin.
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I only used a second thumb tip because the first was dirty. Did not expect it to be original. Ben Martin did a lovely hank vanish after which he showed the (only) TT empty to entertain magicians. Where the hank went I hope I never learn.

You are right. Hecklers don't require entertainment.
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I find it odd that this discussion is here...I just saw the new movie, "Night at the Museum". There is a scene where Ben Stiller "accidently" exposes the thumbtip. This was the number one movie over the weekend, and how many hundreds of thousands of people saw this...I think this does more harm than a thumb tip being sold in a dollar store.

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