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What an awesome idea! Great creativity, Michel and Richard!
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Michel Huot Regular user Montreal 199 Posts |
Hi Everyone and thanks for all your feedback. I just came back from the CAM convention and did Priceless at my lecture. When Shawn Farquhar, Jeff McBride, Michael Dardant, Christian Schenk all your trick, you know you have something good
Here are two quotes Jeff McBride: Wow this is ans EXCELLENT trick. The best practical solution to this type of effect EVER! For Mathieu Bich: The most original confabulation effect. Have fun!
Tricks aren't important...people are!!!
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surryhills Regular user Germany 149 Posts |
I rarely order new magic these days.
But this looked awesome. Especially because Richard Sanders is involved. I got a nice deal through the creator - I could not say no:) |
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Michel Huot Regular user Montreal 199 Posts |
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On Apr 26, 2016, Michel Huot wrote: OOPS I meant : When Shawn Farquhar, Jeff McBride, Michael Dardant, Christian Schenk are at your dealer table to buy your trick, you know you have something good!
Tricks aren't important...people are!!!
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roblane Special user Say 'toast' five times, toast toast..... 844 Posts |
Priceless by name and nature. Well done to Michel and Richard for hiding a utility prop in full view! Just buy one
Definition of a Freudian slip; Saying one thing and meaning a "mother"!
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Robb Inner circle 1291 Posts |
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On Apr 23, 2016, Paul S Wingham wrote: Well, in my eyes this effect isn't really mentalism... It's too much a gag and the prop too silly. Is anyone supposed to believe you ACTUALLY stole the jacket and left the security tag on? No? Then why would they believe you actually predicted the number they would name? Mental magic at best. |
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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1378 Posts |
I think it could fall in to either camps depending on how you present the lead in to the effect but never the less I think the key is to keep it away from things that are quite obviously a magic trick, unless you don't mind this being viewed as "just a trick". That said, you could surely make the same point for a confabulation routine; I mean the idea of having a dream that you wrote down (as is often the presentation) seems implausible to me personally.
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MadisonH Inner circle 1752 Posts |
I think it's funny that some think mentalism can't be funny and entertaining. Please, for the love of God, stop doing boring mentalism!
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Legendary Wizard Inner circle The Wizard , The Legend 162,885,947,3659, 1694 Posts |
I just remembered there's an app that suggests the price of an item if you point your camera towards it , or is it a website . Interesting idea would be to ask the spectator to hold their phone up and point to your jacket , the suggested price tag appears on top of the magician , you write it down before the spectator closes the phone , takes off the jacket , and show the price matches .
Not sure if it works but maybe a nice idea to think about .
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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1378 Posts |
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On Apr 26, 2016, MadisonH wrote: Amen |
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Michel Huot Regular user Montreal 199 Posts |
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On Apr 26, 2016, Robb wrote: I have to confess, I don't care wether WE call it Mentalism, Magic, Comedy, juggling or whatever...I don't need to put any effect in a category. Categories are only for magicians. The audience puts it in the Fun and incredible category
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PatrickGregoire Inner circle 2239 Posts |
No, they don't believe that you actually stole it, you wouldn't want them to... It's clear that you set it up in your jacket as a gag and when you set it up, you put a price tag. That price tag happens to have the same price as the one named during your show, the plausibility has nothing to do with the gag... As I've already said, it's a coincidence effect.
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Robb Inner circle 1291 Posts |
Sorry, I disagree. This effect is mental magic to me, no doubt about it. I think it would be a terrible opener for a mentalism show and would dilute everything that came after it. It's just too proppy a prop, I don't know how else to put it.
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Robb Inner circle 1291 Posts |
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On Apr 26, 2016, Michel Huot wrote: Sure, you can label things whatever you want. Football is baseball and pizza is lasagna. It's all the same, it doesn't matter. I like when I got to see a super hero movie and get a romantic comedy. Hey, it's all entertainment! |
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MagicMan1957 Inner circle 1445 Posts |
So I wonder Robb.....
Can Mentalism ever be comedic? Or must it always have a serious presentation? |
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DrewBstoss Special user SLC, Utah 582 Posts |
This is all really a matter of personal preference.
I agree with Robb that this plays more as mental magic than "classic" mentalism - but there's nothing inherently wrong with that depending on the goals you have as a performer. Now I can't speak for Robb but to answer your question MagicMan1957 - mentalism ABSOLUTELY can (and in my mind, for the sake of entertainment value, SHOULD) involve humor. That said, in my personal vision of mentalism, I focus on situational comedy and the intrinsic humor that occurs as I try to influence, manipulate, and discern my participant's thoughts. Sure, I have a few "gags" in my show but they're very separate from the culminating moment of the effect. They function as playful asides and are designed, in most cases, to one: overcome the inevitable moments of procedural dead time (man it takes some people ages to make their way to the stage!) and two: cultivate a release of tension at the proper moment. With "Priceless" I feel that the prediction is tied too closely with the security tag gag. To use comedy in this way telegraphs that there's a "trick" because everyone knows that the punchline is planned. There's a real danger that such a subtext would undermine the sense of uncertainty and "realness" that many mentalist strive to create in their presentations. Magic is guaranteed - mind to mind communication (or related "phenomena") is anything BUT guaranteed. I believe "Priceless" also fits squarely into mental-magic because of the obvious prop in play. In my show (at least) it would seem out of place compared to the incidental "necessaries" of a drawing pad, marker, and some envelopes. Participants are my "props" (in the best sense of the word) as THEY are the most interesting "things" in my show. I share these thoughts knowing that many will disagree with me - but that's the beauty of ANY artform. As artists we're all constantly searching for the best vehicle to express our personal visions. If you read this far in the post it may surprise some to know that part of me WISHES that I could use "Priceless" in my show - it's a great gag and I'm sure the tech works beautifully - but it just doesn't fit my style. We all have to find that balance between entertainment and any other goals we might strive to accomplish within our performances. One only needs to look at Derren's brilliant presentation of the classic magic plot "coin (or in his case, ring) in nested boxes" to see that props CAN be used to great effect within mentalism - but I'd contend that the intention behind that particular routine was to provide an emotive moment of storytelling and additional layers of "texture" to the overall theme of the show. Derren's showmanship TRANSCENDED the "prop" and audiences witnessed a touching moment of theater in the genuine human connection it achieved. In summary: "Priceless" will prove to be a FANTASTIC and ENTERTAINING addition to many people's show - but for some of us, it just doesn't fit our models of mentalism. Best, Drew
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On Apr 26, 2016, Robb wrote: IMO, magic is about entertainment. If your audience is getting focused on analyzing your effects, then they probably aren't getting lost in good entertainment. You can focus on putting boxes around different types of magic or you can focus on whether they fit into your entertainment character. Magicians who have figured this out have been the ones to break new barriers of success. To me, call it what you like, this idea can easily be employed in a very entertaining way. KJ |
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1573 Posts |
I agree that "Priceless" squarely fits into the mental magic category. However, I did purchase it and hope to use it for strolling gigs as a light-hearted opener. Priceless won't make it into my stand-up mentalism show but I'm sure that I'll have some fun with it.
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PatrickGregoire Inner circle 2239 Posts |
What exactly is the definition of mental magic?
As far as it seeming pre-planned or like a magic trick, it's all about how you present it. You open with asking them what they think you paid for your jacket. You tell them you didn't pay anything, you just took it. You show the security tag with the price tag. You tell them "I do this gag to get a laugh but one of these days, someone's actually going to name the price of the jacket and it'll be the greatest thing ever!" Say this as you look at the price tag and then act surprised and reveal that today was the day! Essentially, if you feel like it seems planned, stop acting like the trick is the price prediction. It isn't the trick, it's just a gag that happens to turn into an incredible coincidence. It's like if you took a random card from a deck and held it up to your friend and asked them to name a card with the sole intention of them guessing and you saying "yup!" when they get it wrong but then they actually name the correct card. Except Priceless is even less likely to happen so it's even more amazing. |
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Robb Inner circle 1291 Posts |
Very well said, Drew. I agree completely and thanks for explaining it in more detail.
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