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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Your problems are you are projecting anger and have zero ability to see why MANY here have problems with you.
I am equally wiling to accept your display of genuine ignorance and that you are as accurate a depiction of the Dunning/Kruger effect we have ever seen here.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
I disagree with your assessment.
Please stop speaking to me. Please stop harassing me. Please find it within yourself to avoid furthering this wholly unecessary conflict. Please stop. |
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
"1) magic happens in the mind of the observer and not necessarily by the command or intent of the performer. Many magicians have the experience of a spectator saying. "Wow - great magic,"
over some action never intended as a magic effect, or something that never happened at all." If the above statement is true are you saying that no performer is needed at all? I should note that I don't believe that magic happens in the mind of the observer. I believe it happens outside and is then interpreted as either 'magic' or whatever. If the above is true then surely no outside source of input is needed. Note the, "...not necessarily by the command or intent of the performer." If that's true as stated then how would any performer ever be sure that his intent to produce "X" effect would ever be sure to do so? Maybe the production of a coin would appear as if a loaf of bread was actually produced.
Brad Burt
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
How to you make magic, magic? Good question.
I have studied many coin matrix routines. When I saw your's (Al Schneider), for me, that was magic magic. In my mind, your routine is just perfect. This is one of the few effects that I do as close to exactly the way you do it as I can. My premise is different, with a bit of a Bermuda triangle theme, but the moves are as identical as I am able to. For me, Brent Braun is another one who has really mastered some effects. I do his TNR card, and I am looking forward to his CAAN. As for personality, for me, people like Pop Haydn, Mel Mellers, and Dave Williamson just have the gift of being entertaining. I'm working on that part. Maybe some day I'll get there. KJ |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
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On May 14, 2016, Brad Burt wrote: Of course not -- and you know that is silly -- beneath you, actually. You may not agree with me, Brad, but do try and play the game reasonably. You know from previous posts that I consider performance magic as a form of communication requiring both performer and observer. We can create mystery, astonishment, puzzle or confusion. Whether it is considered magic is up to the observer, though the performer can instruct and guide. Regardless, sometimes an observer can find or recall magic in an event that was never intended to be so by the performer. I did say, "many magicians," and I guess you have never had such an experience. Pity.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
I actually WAS trying to be reasonable. That's the irony here. What you proposed was not, for me, clear at all. So as requested I asked a question trying in fact to make it without prejudice or animus. People write things at times, here and elsewhere, assuming a LOT! The modern trend in philosophy is very fluid and many of the terms almost incoherent.
Going strictly by what and how you said it I think my question was not beneath me at all. I really wanted to know. How you look at magic and the doing of it is so very, very different than myself, that getting clarification is at times necessary. You gave it and I get it. Notice that you are as guilty of making value judgments on what you "thought" my intent was as I have been admittedly of doing to some of yours. And, you are correct in 40+ years of doing magic, sometimes for hours at a time performing behind a magic counter, I have never to my knowledge had someone have an experience of "my magic" that was not intended by me. Vanishing a coin was always taken as if a coin had vanished or, was really sneakily hidden in some manner that appeared to be magical. But, never did it occur that someone thought that I had produced a head of lettuce. I realize the grossness of the example above, but you leave those of us with years of experience doing magic for a living of literally not knowing what you are talking about. Give 2-3 very specific examples? i.e., I did a routine in which I divined someones birthday in an impossible manner and later they thought I had produced a sandwich or whatever. I've racked my brain for how your assertion would play out. But, I think that's because I'm a control freak to an extent. When I DO magic, by gum it will DO exactly as I have conceived, practiced and performed. Anything else is not serendipitous, but a failure on my part as a professional. By the way, I am not talking about those times when mistakes happen and in order to finish professionally and usually thinking at light speed to figure a way out the routine did in fact finish not exactly as planned. (Again, I think of that as a kind of failure on my part.) What you seem to be saying and this is how I am interpreting it, is that the manner in which you present your 'magic' is so loose that it allows folks to experience not just what you present, but they are left to interpret what they saw in other ways. If I'm wrong in that surmise, please elucidate. Sincerely. I'm not trying to be provocative here. If I'm correct above, that's a remarkable thing and frankly probably deserves a detailed monograph on the how of it. If it's only a hit or miss thing. That is, it only happens say 10% of the time, then I don't know. Regards,
Brad Burt
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Well, for the clarity of other who might be reading this -- I said, "not necessarily by the command or intent of the performer." From that you offered, "you saying that no performer is needed at all?"
I do not feel that is a reasonable leap of logic or inference. Now you say you were not clear about what I said. Did you ask for clarification? No. You made an illogical statement and put a question mark on it. Then you present some silly scenarios of your own imagination. Hardly a way to seek clarification. I feel that the fact that our experiences over 40+ years has led us to have "very different" ways of "looking at magic, and the doing of it" is a good thing as it allows other readers to extract from a range of possibilities. That is where creativity is seeded. Please recall an earlier time when I discussed the concept of "vanish to empty" in a spectator's hand. You claimed that this was impossible on the Café' forum. So, I requested to send some information to you privately as such a revelation of method is not for an open forum. I send you na example of how I had done such an effect. You responded that this approach would not fit your style as you liked effects that played to a wide set of audiences with easy reset. You did not say my method would not work, nor deny that I had something you considered to be impossible for a magician. I took your view to heart, realizing that to be a successful entertainer one must often side with entertainment over strong magic. That is also why I refer many people to your site, and to you for advice on practical performance issues. I will take your advice again despite the completely off target assumptions you have made in these examples. I will produce a monograph on the subject of "unintentional magic" or "being prepared for the unexpected magical event" or something. If you think it would be valuable, other may also. If you mean just a book of stories about when this has happened, please clarify. Either way, I will be happy to elucidate on the wrongness of your surmise.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I'll only comment on this to the extent of noting that, as a mentalist, I frequently am given credit for amazing things that I never actually did.
Beyond that, I really don't understand the argument. |
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