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Hi all!
Talking one cup routines;
I work with a single cocktail shaker and end up with two final loads, a billiard ball and a tennis ball.
I find this difficult to carry around and I was wondering if using a smaller cup and two golf balls as final load would be much, MUCH weaker?

I do workaround and the billiard balls are ruining all my suit pockets!
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On May 19, 2016, Montana76 wrote:
Hi all!
Talking one cup routines;
I work with a single cocktail shaker and end up with two final loads, a billiard ball and a tennis ball.
I find this difficult to carry around and I was wondering if using a smaller cup and two golf balls as final load would be much, MUCH weaker?

I do workaround and the billiard balls are ruining all my suit pockets!


To answer your question directly: No, the effect on the spectators will not be diminished at all if you use smaller cups, if you follow certain rules about cup sizes and final loads.

Here is Michael Ammar talking about choosing your cups, and why the size of the final load is important in relation to the size of the cups:



He basically confirms that the size of the final load has to be proportionate to the size of the cup, and THAT IF IT IS the effect will be the same no matter what size the cup actually is.
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It's all about size and surprise, not about what it is.
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Daryl says the same thing as Ammar: it is important that the size of your final load is adequate to the size of the cups. If it is too small for the cups, audience might think that the load has been there the whole time and they just didn't notice... Just try to remember how amazed you were the first time you saw a melon being produced from a hat, or two billiard balls, almost the size of the cup, being produced from the same cup. I remember being completely amazed. So, in this case, I would say that (relative) size matters...
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But we are talking smaller loads AND smaller cup. Do you think that would matter?
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I think the real question is perceived impossibility. If it completely fills the cup, and there is enough misdirection to hide the load it won't matter.
Reality is a real killjoy.
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But we are talking smaller loads AND smaller cup. Do you think that would matter?


What? no! We are talking proportionate loads per cup size. Did you not learn anything from the video?
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The way those cup taper towards the bottom makes that object also appear larger than the cup itself.
If by the logic of bigger cup= bigger load = better ending
then what if you did the cups and balls with buckets that produces watermelons??? I find that to be a funny thought.... I know you are not talking about such extremes but trust that you can make that magic trick fun and suprising. You can find a lime that may be about the size of a golf ball and and that into the mix.
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How about producing a load that is bigger than the cup - it won't fit inside?

I have seen that done, and kind of liked it. It was a street performance.
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On May 19, 2016, Montana76 wrote:
But we are talking smaller loads AND smaller cup. Do you think that would matter?


What? no! We are talking proportionate loads per cup size. Did you not learn anything from the video?


I sure did! Thanks! I was addressing John Wills:)
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Thank you all! Test-drove it on a friend today (who knows the effect) and he was surprised how well it played with a small cup and two golf balls as final loads.
Have a gig tomorrow and I'll try the "light version" with small cup/balls and I'll let you know how it went!
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Size matters to some degree.
Surprise matters to a larger degree.
Solidness matters to some degree as well.

A golf ball at 1.5" diameter (or whatever) probably has more impact than a 2" sponge ball.

A 1.25 inch crochet ball 'final load' probably has little significance after using a 1" crochet ball, so yes, size does matter.

Montana, if I were you, I'd try 2 limes.
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KEN BROOKE preached "It's NOT the size so much as it is the CHANGE."
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Building on Pete's offering one should consider "what comes next."

If this Final Load is the END, then the impact of the "change" will be what is remembered.

However, if you plan on performing something else a less dramatic end may be advisable, or one that segues into the next effect.

A final load of any type is not a requirement for a good "One Cup Routine." Likewise, how you got into the Cup effect may matter.

For example, in a kitchen setting routine including many different effect with food and cooking objects,
an egg could keep appearing under a measuring cup. Intrigued, the "chef" experiments with other objects such as walnut or large olives.
No final load is necessary as you continue with baking a cake in a hat, or something -- but a cup of flour could be done.

The new collapsible silicon measuring cups as some additional magical possibilities.

One might consider using a set of matching cups for a traditional three cup routine with incredible final load,
but the very nature of a single cup routine suggest breaking with traditional to cup, balls and sequence. (for me anyway)
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On May 20, 2016, Pete Biro wrote:
KEN BROOKE preached "It's NOT the size so much as it is the CHANGE."


The first time I saw Ken perform the cups and balls, I was really surprised how small the final load lemons were. The lemons were around the size of Fab Fruit lemons, maybe even a little smaller. This was around 1976 and I remember vividly the tremendous reaction Ken received from his lay audience with those three small lemons.

With that in mind, a quick and respectful thank you to Pete Biro for my Johnny Paul brass cups. I'm sure others have discovered that certain working subtlety with Fab Fruit lemons and the JP cup.

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Hmmm, while I agree with most of the comments above (that proportion is a much more major thing), I think that size relative to your hands is also an important consideration.
I have had members of the audience put the lemon in their hand afterwards and comment that you can't even hide a lemon in your hand. I always get better reactions from my large lime and lemon ending than with my mini cup routine even though it is exactly the same routine.
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On May 20, 2016, Pete Biro wrote:
KEN BROOKE preached "It's NOT the size so much as it is the CHANGE."

Was it also Ken that said, "A potato is just funny"? These days I do chop cup more than a standard 3 cup routine. I use a lime and a baseball. It also helps that BOTH are referenced in my script long before they make their appearance.
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