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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Is this the "super memory" demonstration that Slim proclaims is not mentalism?
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MagicalEducator Veteran user 369 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2016, Howie Diddot wrote: Howie, Thanks for your interest in my work but once again your comments are off topic and don't discuss the merits (or not) of my argument. I sent you a message with a link to a thread. You may not know about my work but I do know about your thoughts on hang mentalism to pick up girls. Check it out: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=15 Jeff
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Exactly!!! When asked after the show how many will say Card Trick and how many will say Super Memory Experiment when describing the show. I'm pretty sure that 4 out of 5 people would respond Trick when given the word Card. It's just how it is. IMHO most people would see this as a magic card trick and would describe it as such. But that doesn't bother me because I feel you can do both magic and mentalism.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
And you'd be utterly wrong. That demonstration has been accepted as genuine by the vast majority of audiences.You are aware, are you not, that I also perform it with straight memory? The only difference is that the routine is about a half minute longer, and the cadence on the call-outs is regular rather than accelerating.
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M. Tesla Regular user Coral Springs, Florida 154 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2016, Slim King wrote: You're missing the point...it's about memorizing the order of a deck of cards in under 20 seconds...it's more in line with mentalism than magic, and it's not being presented as a card trick...it's being presented as a memory demonstration...and I've done the effect myself and never had anyone even remotely suspect it's anything other than mentalism and memory...
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2016, mastermindreader wrote: i think the earth is due to expire in 14 billion years time, I don't think that's long enough...
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M. Tesla Regular user Coral Springs, Florida 154 Posts |
Ahhhh Bob beat me to the punch...I guess we were typing at the same time and he's faster than me...
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2016, Slim King wrote: Maybe in Florida they know what mentalism is Slim. From my neck of the woods they have no clue unless they were hooked on the Mentalist series until it was cut. You promote yourself as a mentalist for the on line window shopper GIGers and you may not get a lot of bookings. Book as a magician (and sub as a mentalist) and convince your clients you are mentalist one fairs better IMO.
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MagicalEducator Veteran user 369 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2016, M. Tessler wrote: I also do some card memory work but how do we know for sure that our audiences don't think that it's a card trick? I present it as memory and like to think I do a good job at acting, miscalling and such but how do we know for sure. Simple word association...Donald....Trump....Milk..shake...Card...trick. Not really a leap at all when we look at a bit more objectively. If one has applied the Logical Disconnect or Tamariz's Theory of False Solutions then less liklihood but still possible. People are convinced of all manner of unbelievable explanations. jeff
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M. Tesla Regular user Coral Springs, Florida 154 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2016, MagicalEducator wrote: Well, sometimes their reactions give you a clue...their reaction to it as a card trick, would seem to me (IMHO), to be a bit different than their reaction to it as mentalism and memory...it's just a feeling you get as to whether they believe in your psychic abilities...
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MagicalEducator Veteran user 369 Posts |
Old adage to look in the eyes of your audience and they will tell you everything that you need to know about how you're doing. That I do and believe but I don't know that I could successfully discern the differences as each person is so unique. I've had stunned silence, applause, audible gasps, screams, they run away and even where I was punched very hard in the chest. This last one was accompanied by the dialogue "Why did you do that?" (Me) "Cuz you're freaking me out!" (Crazy person)
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2016, MagicalEducator wrote: Glad someone else sees stunned silence as a positive. It should happen a lot in a mentalist show (as long as snoring does not accompany of course).
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Too bad folks outside the showroom can't hear "stunned silence."
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
But they reflect their true feelings in their reviews.
If you don't regularly get asked "about your gift, or where did you get your gift," stick with magician.
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Howie Diddot Inner circle San Francisco & Los Angeles California 3288 Posts |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Is this the same Jheff who teaches high school in California (magical educator)?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2016, Decomposed wrote: No. Jheff (note the spelling) and MagicalEducator (Jeff) are NOT the same person. Jheff is a well known creator, a member of the Magic Castle, and proprietor of Jheff's Marketplace of the Mind. He's also my long time friend and business associate. And, yes, he is a high-school teacher in Los Angeles, California. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2016, Decomposed wrote: You made this post in response to mine. I have no idea who you are referring to. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
For me, its pretty simple...
if you want to be seen as a classic mentalist, and be able to discuss classic mentalism with other classic mentalists - you need to have the same backbone of knowledge, terminology and so on... if what you perform doesn't fall within those guidelines and framework, then its not classic mentalism...its something else, be it magic, mental magic, bizarrism etc each require a different mindset and performing criteria... and if you want to strike off on your own, and follow your vision or whatever you wanna call it, you still need to know that backbone, that structure and knowledge to begin with... you don't suddenly become a jazz guitarist because you can play flamenco, though the commonality is that you would both have the knowledge of tuning, chords, structure and technique, but its also completely different on many levels too...the attack, the techniques splinter and change... so until you can play as 'yourself' you need the base knowledge first... just because hendrix and richie havens both used their thumbs in very similar ways when barring chords, doesn't mean they sound or play the same, and their philosophies are different too... that's how I see it...
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Jeff says..."Donald....Trump....Milk..shake...Card...trick" .. This is an elemental concept that every mentalist should understand!
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