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Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
As magicians we know what to look for, spectators wont have our knowledge and know what even a t**** t**is let alone what one is supposed to look like, if you guys don't like it fair enough, I will be using this and it will go over very well, just working on my script now
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
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On Jun 13, 2016, PRINCE wrote: Are you just being willingly ignorant. As magicians we see lots of things but the public has no clue unless you telegraph it. I owe no apologies as I never singled out the person doing the demo. If you're getting caught whether its one on one or a group, its time to go home.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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Gaijin Regular user 175 Posts |
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On Jun 13, 2016, PRINCE wrote: 1. I asked if they were impressed by the trailer, and they were not much. 2. I asked why and they thought that the method used was closer to 3D scan actually. They were wrong but their sense of the underlying physics was on the right path. |
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Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
But they did not notice the method for Xray?
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MazingMandy Special user Has tolerated the trolls here for 676 Posts |
Totally agree with Steve. Magicians know what to look for, so often notice things laypeople won't. Once you;'ve seen it it's impossible to unsee it and think like a layman again
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
[quote]On Jun 13, 2016, Steven Conner wrote:
[quote]On Jun 13, 2016, PRINCE wrote: Quote:
On Jun 13, 2016, Steven Conner wrote: Yeah exactly, the guy in the video did get caught - by me, so you are telling him 'it's time to go home'. Yes your right we as magicians see more than the lay etc but your original post indicated someone noticing this regardless if magician or not - hence my post. I watched a fellow magician and experienced performer get caught using a TT the other day. He performed a kenetic spinning spoons type effect... His angles were fine (no one behind him etc and there was just a tiny bit showing of the TT even his colour match was perfect - yet someone called him on it (which I did t think they would) AND IT WASNT THAT THEY ALREADY KNEW THE SECRET ETC. So I guess it's time for him to go home lol. The point is you are going to get eagle eyed spectators regardless, more so those who this is not being performed for and you will I feel get caught. For the amount of time this is open in play, I feel you 'may' get caught. |
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Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
As I mentioned earlier though I did this a few feet from my wife and she didn't notice a thing, I think also certain finger placements etc will hide the gimmick in play it basically takes a nano second to get what you need to get and then the hand can drop down to your side, after you have identified the hand all attention will be on the spectator, no heat will be on you at all
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Your right Daren and great tips (pardon the pun) but this was just one on one and for the reasons mentioned above I feel is why your wife and others would have found this harder not to notice (concentrating, looking at you etc etc) HOWEVER even if there were a group, I'm confident that by what you are saying and how you perform this no one would have spotted it. It sounds like you have spent a lot of time thinking about how to perform this and just want to say thanks for being conscious and taking the time taking into consideration many factors.
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Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
No probs, I will be gigging this routine (once script is sorted) I have a few ideas to use a prediction with this, I think Colin McCloud has some ideas in his book 'Divine' using places etc, I think I remember seeing Dan White use a routine similar, but I think he used Scan 3D, I think it is on youtube somewhere, if not I think I remember seeing the routine in the Scan 3D thread, but am thinking something along similar lines, but need to get it scripted first before using in real world, will report back to let you know how it plays, I have no fear about getting caught
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
[quote]On Jun 13, 2016, PRINCE wrote:
[quote]On Jun 13, 2016, Steven Conner wrote: Quote:
On Jun 13, 2016, PRINCE wrote: I make my living doing magic and have for 30 years, magic is as much presentation as trick. We will occasionally get caught from time to time but that's all. You're spending way too much time on things that are covered in magic 101. By the way, most magicians I see do a terrible tt.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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Mystification Special user 571 Posts |
Every beginner magic set has a t******p in it now. With that said, proper management will make this invisible. Proper motivation for ditching the gimmick will be needed.
I agree, most magicians I have seen in the magic shops do a terrible t******p. I am curious how sensitive the detection device is? How close do you need to be to get a reliable reading? Has anyone tried it with coins to see how well that works? |
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IMAGINACIAN Special user In Your Thots 558 Posts |
This is the little exchange I had with Rasmus on pm. I am sharing it here becuz there is nothing really 'personal' in this.
"Rasmus - you don't have to pretend, that crediting is given, if the method is different and imho much better if you feel that this is a ripp off, don't buy it Banachek told me, that my method was never published before and I was not influenced by any existing methods thanks. IMAGINACIAN - Hi Rasmus, Sorry if I sounded harsh. I am just making a point. And I would have been happier if you had posted this same thing in the topic thread, instead of sending me a pm. I am in a position to reconfirm with both Steve and Charles. But reckon it would be better if YOU do it. Rasmus - no problem I wrote Charles an e-mail no answer"
There is no better freedom than choice and no better choice than freedom.
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
Rasmus should have checked with Charles first instead of Banachek.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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IMAGINACIAN Special user In Your Thots 558 Posts |
Rasmus,
If Steve Banachek has endorsed x ray, as you claimed, I have not seen that on any of the sales pages of x ray. Can you please share what exactly Banachek cleared about x ray? And if you need to be put in touch with Charles Gauci, I am sure many here would be ready to help you. BTW all his contact info is on his website. I do not know if Steve or Charles are on here. Rasmus, I respect you as a creative co-artist in this field and hope x ray is just an 'off day' in your otherwise excellent lineup. What I mean is, I have made my point and am moving on. Best wishes to all concerned.
There is no better freedom than choice and no better choice than freedom.
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JasonL2112 Regular user 169 Posts |
Mine came in today, and to be clear / fair, I have not watched the video yet, but....
Testing on myself, I need to get close, to the point of almost brushing against (sometimes actually having to) the hand holding the ball to "sense" anything. Anyone have any feedback around sensitivity?
GLOMM
http://www.theglomm.com/ |
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
You need to adjust the fit - the space at the very end determines the sensitivity. You probably have too much room there; try reducing that space.
Jim |
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JasonL2112 Regular user 169 Posts |
I made that assumption and tried several positions. Works GREAT if I lay the ball on my open hand, but in a closed fist I can't seem to get it to a place where it works as I'd expect.
I'll do the right thing and watch the DVD this evening before commenting further / passing any form of judgement.
GLOMM
http://www.theglomm.com/ |
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Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
Jason, try using a pk ring as the object to detect, works fantastically well, can use the latter line along the lines of your wedding ring or something along those lines or a ring you found on the ground that you have a peculiar association with etc etc blah blah
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Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
Patter line that should say
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
Always watch the dvd or read the instructions first.
Before you ever experiment with a effect.In some case's you can break a gimmick not knowing how it works properly. |
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