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There was certainly nothing to break in this instance so I felt pretty safe.

I've now watched the download and I was setting everything up per what is recommended (with the exception of not having yet trimmed the gimmic which would have no impact other than visual.

I agree a PK ring would likely work VERY well, maybe it's time to break down and order one, but that shouldn't have to be the case given this effect is supplied with the intended object.

Don't get me wrong guys, I "can" make this happen, but it seems to depend on how I am holding the ball. Looser vs tighter grip, where it sits in my fist, etc... Sometimes I can barely tell, other times, not at all.

I really want to give this a fair shot, but if I can't get it to work consistently and reliably in my own hand..... Seems like the ball isn't "powerful" enough of an object.
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I tried this on my wife and made her clench her fists so tight the knuckles turned white, this still detected the ball/ring takes some getting used to the right feel, but works every time
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Yes, to be clear, it worked better with a tighter fist. I also heard "make a tight fist" stated in the download, but I had to squeeze pretty darn tight.

Sorry, spectator, can you hold your fist tighter for me, I can't tell where it is with you holding it loosely. Can't make that one play. Smile

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I tried this on my wife and made her clench her fists so tight the knuckles turned white, this still detected the ball/ring takes some getting used to the right feel, but works every time
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Wary after reading so many comments.

It seems like it's not such an original approach, and not so "new" as stated on the ad:

"X-Ray is the first Which Hand effect and Kurotsuke method to date, that gives you the ability, with rolled up sleeves and no electronics, to guess with 100% accuracy, where the hidden object is."

Not sure if that statement is 100% accurate (I wouldn't think so), after all the approaches that have been released by Charles Gauci's. Also add a lot more of approaches like Prevaricator, Manoeda, Tequila Hustler, etc. Or the one released on MindSight which uses technology, but it's different from other tech approaches out there. Smile

By now, I'm definitely more interested in reading Charles Gauci's book.

Andreu.
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Sorry just need to get them to hold ball tight in their hand that's all that needs to be said to spectator, this works a dream, I love it
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Rasmus, I respect you as a creative co-artist in this field and hope x ray is just an 'off day' in your otherwise excellent lineup.

Wasn't there a similar discussion and doubtfulness years ago about his (or, as others considered: Peter Eggink's) haunted deck effect?
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I bought one of these http://www.warpedmagic.co.uk/products/su......ed-magic super strong magnetic coins and it seems to work a lot better with X-Ray than the ball. Also makes more sense imho to borrow a coin or use your own rather than a black ball.
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At 1:23 in the demo you see the gimmick in play which you will instantly know what is used as the gimmick in getting the que



I don't use a TT very often, and have not done regularly for years, When looking through the trailer footage and edit, we chose to leave the gimmick in. Why? because we knew people would have a moan if we concealed it or cut it out, and we wanted to give an honest trailer!

I guess you can't win either way! Luckily, spectators don't tend to pause and rematch live performances too much! Even though I felt very comfortable using the gimmick, I am sure those with more experience in that type will feel right at home with it!


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I can see what is provided here and it seems well-routined and usable, ditching/getting this sort of gimmick is usually quite easy due to its nature so this seems like a real worker.
I would like to love this but I showed the trailer to 2 non-magician friends and they actually came up with the expensive solution instead of the used solution here (sigh).
I do this a lot these days now, showing trailers to non-magician people and get their feedback, I feel safer to buy something when I know that they are genuinely impressed.
In this case, the reactions were not overwhelming so I will pass...


How did your friends think it was done?


1. I asked if they were impressed by the trailer, and they were not much. 2. I asked why and they thought that the method used was closer to 3D scan actually. They were wrong but their sense of the underlying physics was on the right path.



I think that is a bit of an unfair move: if you show laymen (especially friends) a trailer of a PRODUCT, you are essentially telling them 'there is a method to this that anyone can do'

If you were to show them a performance, I think You would get different results!
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But they did not notice the method for Xray?


You mean if they saw the flash of the gimmick? No. Didn't guess the actual method either. But the fact that they could come up with something close is a concern for me because even if they are wrong, it means that they can convince themselves that they are right and thus are not impressed. I think that a good trick should let no possible clue.
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At 1:23 in the demo you see the gimmick in play which you will instantly know what is used as the gimmick in getting the que



I don't use a TT very often, and have not done regularly for years, When looking through the trailer footage and edit, we chose to leave the gimmick in. Why? because we knew people would have a moan if we concealed it or cut it out, and we wanted to give an honest trailer!

I guess you can't win either way! Luckily, spectators don't tend to pause and rematch live performances too much! Even though I felt very comfortable using the gimmick, I am sure those with more experience in that type will feel right at home with it!


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I can see what is provided here and it seems well-routined and usable, ditching/getting this sort of gimmick is usually quite easy due to its nature so this seems like a real worker.
I would like to love this but I showed the trailer to 2 non-magician friends and they actually came up with the expensive solution instead of the used solution here (sigh).
I do this a lot these days now, showing trailers to non-magician people and get their feedback, I feel safer to buy something when I know that they are genuinely impressed.
In this case, the reactions were not overwhelming so I will pass...


How did your friends think it was done?


1. I asked if they were impressed by the trailer, and they were not much. 2. I asked why and they thought that the method used was closer to 3D scan actually. They were wrong but their sense of the underlying physics was on the right path.



I think that is a bit of an unfair move: if you show laymen (especially friends) a trailer of a PRODUCT, you are essentially telling them 'there is a method to this that anyone can do'

If you were to show them a performance, I think You would get different results!


Well, they know me and none of them are convinced that I have real powers even when they are genuinely impressed with a trick. When I impress them, they know that there is a secret method but their faces clearly tell something like "OK there is something going on but you fooled me, well done." I feel afraid that they won't get this feeling from this one, I suspect that they will be intrigued but not impressed from their reactions.
It is for sure true that a live performance would do better than a video indeed but I am still too hesitant, I can't see this replacing something from my current set and I totally respect anyone who would think otherwise.
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I can see what is provided here and it seems well-routined and usable, ditching/getting this sort of gimmick is usually quite easy due to its nature so this seems like a real worker.
I would like to love this but I showed the trailer to 2 non-magician friends and they actually came up with the expensive solution instead of the used solution here (sigh).
I do this a lot these days now, showing trailers to non-magician people and get their feedback, I feel safer to buy something when I know that they are genuinely impressed.
In this case, the reactions were not overwhelming so I will pass...


That may just be a reaction to the guess which hand plot. Not very impressive by itself. Why should I care that you can guess the hand? I just received this and must say this is a very good method to accomplish that plot but I think this can be made much more entertaining by giving the spectator a reason to care about what is happening. One approach for this is to make the spectator the psychic and match your own hands or a target card. Much stronger reactions any time we make the effect about the spectator. So many effects can be recast this way.
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Agreed, and I fully plan on coming up with the right routine to give this one a fair shot. Getting the spectator invested in the routine makes all the difference.

I also think it makes sense to tie it in to Tequila Hustler. Starting with the right back-story / setup (lie detector?) perform TH, and, now, I think I know enough about you ("spec") to guess properly each time without asking ANY questions. Lets give it a shot...
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The kurotsuke (I think that's the right word) routine with this is excellent. I also have a nifty bank night routine with 2 or more envelopes using the method. I'm really happy I bought it.
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Well, they know me and none of them are convinced that I have real powers even when they are genuinely impressed with a trick. When I impress them, they know that there is a secret method but their faces clearly tell something like "OK there is something going on but you fooled me, well done." I feel afraid that they won't get this feeling from this one, I suspect that they will be intrigued but not impressed from their reactions.
It is for sure true that a live performance would do better than a video indeed but I am still too hesitant, I can't see this replacing something from my current set and I totally respect anyone who would think otherwise.



The which hand plot on its own will never be a strong effect, as it is literally a 50/50.

Using the standard which hand to move on to other routines, like building it to a which hand with 10 people (one item) amplifies the effect (whichever method you prefer to use!)

I currently use a gimmickless version, an electronic version, and this version for which hand and similar 'location' effects, but I am a fan of mixing methods! If you already perform this, and are happy with how everything goes, then of course don't buy it for the sake of buying it!

As a standalone effect, I am fond of the bag routine though with paper balls and a borrowed note.
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Interest points Marc. However, I feel the 50 50 plot CAN be a strong routine. When I'm performing it I always give them a chance to change their mind and I also tell them to switch hands a few times. Before I reveal the hand I always get them to confirm that it really felt like they had a free choice and that they were in control. Then I reveal which hand. This confirmation kind of raises them up to a height mentally and then you just drop them down with the reveal. Of course if you repeat this a few times getting confirmation each time that they were in control the effect just builds and builds. After about 3 times I close out the effect mentioning that I could do this all night.

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Well, there are billions of presentations out there.

I think this thread should be used to discuss the product quality / originality itself and not the individual presentations we all have.

If you want to know some more useful presentational ploys, maybe read MindSight? http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S18684

The usual ploy with which hand is the classical truthteller / liar plot, but I insist - there are billions of approaches out there.


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Well, there are billions of presentations out there.

I think this thread should be used to discuss the product quality / originality itself and not the individual presentations we all have.


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I couldn't agree with you more.

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There's really nothing to see if you're polished performer. And if you're not, find a different career or hobby.

Wow, what an encouraging piece of advice for beginners.
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Well, there are billions of presentations out there.

I think this thread should be used to discuss the product quality / originality itself and not the individual presentations we all have.

If you want to know some more useful presentational ploys, maybe read MindSight? http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S18684

The usual ploy with which hand is the classical truthteller / liar plot, but I insist - there are billions of approaches out there.


Best,

Andreu.


Haha

Thanks Andreu, what product is that you are suggesting I take a look at?

Seriously!
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