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Wow that retention vanish was good
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This is well worth a read: http://joshuaspodek.com/model-motivate-putting-effort

Hope this helps you
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Here’s Ben Williams behind the counter at MoM for a closer look at COIN



Coin is on the site at MoM now, shipping from the UK here: https://www.magicshop.co.uk/vortex-magic......ic-chien

Hope this helps you
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For anyone who has this, how does it compare to Z's Retention Vanish?
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=218
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On Jun 10, 2016, RNK wrote:

Learning a move, whether it's knuckle busting or not and whether your new to coin magic or not, in days, weeks or months has nothing to do with "the move" but everything to do with the learning curve of the student. Dominic was spot on with his post. No one can tell you if a move is going to take YOU a day, week(s) or month(s) to look beautiful. Even if a move is one of the easier ones to perform.


Disagree. "Knuckle buster" has a real meaning. And while you may not be able to tell how long it will take to "beautify" a move for any particular person, you can reliably predict it will take them longer to learn a muscle pass than a french drop. Comparisons do have some validity - even when they are the general categories of: easy, medium, hard, Ponta the Smith hard.

This isn't rocket science, but the reason we respect rocket scientists is the same as the reason we respect a highly skilled coin/card worker - we know it took some serious effort and talent to accomplish what we observe. Telling me that anyone can be a rocket science with enough dedication, effort and student loans doesn't help me much. I know that already.
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Anyone got this yet.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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On Jun 15, 2016, Steven Conner wrote:
Anyone got this yet.

I don't think its released yet, I have it on order
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On Jun 15, 2016, Steven Conner wrote:
Anyone got this yet.

I don't think its released yet, I have it on order


I think they just started shipping it.


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Mine just arrived yesterday. Finished watching the dvd last night and will share some details when I have some time later today.
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Difficulty:
Ok so first of all, in regards to difficulty, the technique itself is not all that difficult. The difficult part is getting the speed and timing to where it needs to be. As Dominic said earlier, the technique relies on a series of movements to work. Nothing "knucklebusting" about the series of movements whatsoever. The trick is getting comfortable with the technique to the point where muscle memory eventually takes over, and it becomes automatic. Once you can accurately execute the move, and you start building that muscle memory, speed is bound to follow.


Teaching/learning:
I thought Eric did a great job of explaining how and why the technique works. He goes into every detail on the technique itself, various tips, how to practice and troubleshooting. Nothing is left out. There are even a bunch of slow mo shots from different angles after each technique and trick is taught. Keep in mind that Eric uses dollar sized coins. He mentions it will work with half dollars, and it does, that's what I use. But the retention pass in general relies on the retention of vision of the coin in the hand. General rule of thumb: more coin= more retention.

For any intermediate coin worker, you should be able to pick this fairly quickly. Anyone else that is unfamiliar with coin magic, and is not familiar with a basic retention pass, would take quite a bit longer to get this down. Eric mentioned in the video that one of his friends had been practicing for months and is just now beginning to get it down. So try not to become discouraged if progress is slow for you, this will take time to master regardless if you work a lot with coins like me, or this is your first coin magic dvd (fyi, I would not recommend this as a first coin magic dvd lol). Of course time will vary between people depending on current skill level, and how much time and effort you put in each day.. just don't expect to pop this in and expect your retention to look like eric's any time soon.

Technique:
Now the technique itself is not necessarily new. This is basically a variation on the standard retention pass. Eric has made quite a few changes/adjustments to the classic technique, and of course it's exactly these changes/adjustments that make the move look so beautiful and deceptive. I cannot really describe exactly how it's different from the classic retention without possibly exposing anything.

Material:
Majority of material taught here are applications for his retention pass. A basic vanish, instant vanish, instant spellbound change, throw change and the changes with the card and cigarette. All of these, as you can see from the trailer, are extremely visual. Eric makes it look like cgi is happening in real life.

There are a couple actual routines taught here as well. A short one coin routine, and a 3 coins across routine. The coins across ending was probably my favorite part of the dvd. Also, he shows a slight variation on Ponta the smith's spellbound routine. Doesn't teach his routine, just the parts he added. Nice application if you know Ponta's routine. Lastly, he wraps everything up with a few other additional ideas.

Conclusion:
Overall I really enjoyed this dvd a lot. I love coin magic so I was really excited when I first saw this trailer and couldn't wait to get it. I have to say I'm very happy I did. If there is anything negative that I had to say about this, it would be that I wish there were more full routines taught.. the coins across and one coin routine were nice, I just would have liked to have seen more. I love all of the applications, and I will definitely use them and find a way to incorporate them into my own routines. I would highly recommend this to any one who wants to learn some incredibly visual coin magic AND.. is willing to work for it.


-Jameson
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*correction, he does actually teach the modified version of ponta's spellbound routine. Not verbally, just an over the shoulder exposed view
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Jamo, thanks for the great review!

Jim
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On Jun 18, 2016, jamo425 wrote:

...Conclusion:
Overall I really enjoyed this dvd a lot. I love coin magic so I was really excited when I first saw this trailer and couldn't wait to get it. I have to say I'm very happy I did. If there is anything negative that I had to say about this, it would be that I wish there were more full routines taught.. the coins across and one coin routine were nice, I just would have liked to have seen more. I love all of the applications, and I will definitely use them and find a way to incorporate them into my own routines. I would highly recommend this to any one who wants to learn some incredibly visual coin magic AND.. is willing to work for it.


-Jameson


Thanks man, really good overview.

I mentioned this on the coin forum because I truly appreciate seeing the "needle move" when it does…I think it moves here…I thought it moved with Mickey Silver and Ponta The Smith...I think it moves a bit with this too.

I have great regard for the RV, switches, good timing and misdirection…I use them all myself, as I mostly came to learn them through The Great Rocco Silano. Smile And as such, to see someone working and succeeding at these things in even more interesting ways, is to see progress in the art for us all…but especially us coin workers. Smile

Good job!
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I purchased this today and I'm really enjoying it. While the core move is "nacky", I wouldn't classify it as knucklebusting. I've practiced a similar idea in the past, so I found myself catching on fairly quickly.
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Yeah I believe the whole "it could take you weeks or months" thing is aimed more towards beginners. I work a lot with coins, and for me I began to get the move down within about an hour or so. Gradually I started gaining speed and consistency. Probably the most challenging thing on this dvd is getting the timing down for the "blink" vanish to make it look like it does on the trailer.

I've been having a lot of fun practicing this in the mirror. This is one of those things that once you start getting it down, you will fool yourself in the mirror. Especially when you do the changes.
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I been practising this for an hour today and I think its only for magicains with smaller hands who can do it properly like him whats in the video
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Takes a lot more than an hour. Weeks maybe months.
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You need smaller hands to do it properly or it wont work properly
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Hand size is not important. It's just down to practice.
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This is a great addition to anyones coin moves.
theres only the one move, the retention vanish, but he teaches several applications for it.
it is knacky but once you get it its not that hard.
im glad I bought this dvd.
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