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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2016, balducci wrote: Is there one on the list that happened 100 years ago?????? There are updated lists ... This was just the first I found posted on my FB. I didn't see any 100 year old examples ..... Cmmmmmm The majority were from 2014..the year the article was written was 2015 I think.... There have been many many since then.... Are you saying there is a problem listing a hero's job done in 1998 that disproves your premise???
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2016, Slim King wrote: Saved hundreds of lives. Cost tens of thousands. So yeah, I am insulting you. Moronic comment of the year.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2016, Salguod Nairb wrote: Why does the public become collateral damage. Are you assuming I am going to shoot everyone in the vicinity? Also are you asserting that I should just let me and mine be attacked, injured, and possibly killed and not defend myself and mine to the best of my ability? Where are you going with this?
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
If a man begins firing in a theatre you are in .....killing as many as he can shoot.... and the lady seated next to you has a gun....... Do you want her to return fire or not?
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Guns don't kill people.
People, with guns kill people. Hey I have an idea. Make it illegal for people to kill other people with guns. It is already illegal to do that. OH ... well laws don't work then. So why pass more? It makes some people feel good about themselves and helps take guns away from the good people. That doesn't make sense. Exactly.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2016, Slim King wrote: No.
Danny Doyle
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote: Nice to be able to agree with Danny about something. Why in the world would you be sitting there anyway? There are many responses to gunshots, but just sitting there is not one of the best. and, if she draws a gun, why would you assume she plans to shoot at him?
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2016, Slim King wrote: If you have to decide to use the gun after the firing starts it is already too late. @ Acesover defending your home from an intruder shoot them with impertinence, but when in the public you have a higher responsibility to not harm others in you and yours defense. This is more about situational awareness and having a protocol in place. You may have it, but the message on this thread that everyone should carry just because they passed a simple test.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2016, funsway wrote: Yea this. She must have a good guy with a gun sign.
Danny Doyle
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2016, Salguod Nairb wrote: I am sorry but I am have to disagree with you on this. When defending myself and mine from possible death it is of prime importance and anything else is in second place. Having a protocol goes out the window. Usually fight or flight kicks in whichever is more advantageous. Experience helps but just where do you get such experience? Usually this is like needing a parachute. If you don't have one you are not going to ever need one again. Training helps but when the situation arises then the adrenaline starts to pump and the fight or flight kicks in and the only thing on your mind is save you and yours from physical harm and possible death. Trust me there will be no police around for a while. They will arrive to file a report of the carnage after the fact. The best you can hope for is that you and yours are the ones giving the info to the police. Not sure if you were in the service and saw combat. But a lot of your training goes out the window when all of a sudden you are taking fire for the first time and you see someone you know come apart and die. Does the training help? Of course but it is not the end all. It is better than nothing. I am only saying it is wise to be prepared and be as proficient with your weapons as you can be and hope you have have to use them. Anything less is being negligent on your part.
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2016, acesover wrote: And that is why I am so against it. Same situation above, but this time it is another family who has decided that you and yours is second place and starts shooting in a panic state. (Warning Strawman argument) What if it just a over-reacting soccer Mom who misreads a situation but goes into Mother & Cubs mode? If a teen woman who rings a doorbell after a car accident can get shot by a (insert adjective here) guy then imagine when everyone starts to carry.
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Or what if the ability to end life one day goes from protection to destruction of a family, possibly without warning.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2016, Salguod Nairb wrote: Can you think up anything more off the wall than a soccer mom over reacting? When you say over reacting. What do you mean? Did she pull a gun and start shooting or was she just yelling? I believe that 99.99% of those who have a license to carry and have trained with their firearm are not about to open fire on a soccer mom yelling. Give me a break. You are now making up fantasies to try and qualify your position as legitimate. I don't follow your train of thought on another family and second place. Why did they start shooting? If weapons fire breaks out I would expect that if someone has a firearm they will "fight or flight" when they see what is going on. I am sure that if someone fires a shot everyone does not takes out their weapon and shoot the person nearest them as you seem to feel is the case. Maybe the people you know that have CCW permits do that. If that is the case. It is your duty to warn authorities about them. They are a definite danger to everyone around them, and by not warning the authorities about then you endanger yourself, your loved ones along with many others. Many of these atrocities could have been avoided by reporting and taking action before the fact. However after the fact it is much easier to blame the weapons and lack of laws. That is the biggest fear we should have when it comes to firearms ... complacency. Used properly when needed there is nothing that can take the place of a firearm when needed, nothing. Be prepared and stay safe. Hope and pray to God you never have to present your firearm for protection. I am sure you have heard the expression, "don't bring a knife to a gunfight". All it is trying to say is, be prepared. Again, Hope and pray to God you never have to present your firearm for protection.
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts |
Did you not see the strawman argument disclaimer? I didn't go into great detail as I didn't think if was necessary and most readers will tune out if the post is too long.
That is why I try to keep it simple and let people connect the dots without droning on and on. There is nothing I can say or elaborate upon that will change your mindset. I live in an environment that requires me to assess potential threats everywhere I go. People will do what they do and some time in the future; if this thread isn't deleted, someone will reference this when an incident occurs.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2016, acesover wrote: Here is where most get into trouble. You can train and be prepared and as proficient as you like with your weapons. You can not be prepared for another person shooting back at you. This will flat out rattle some folks. My guess is you included. It is a response that has to be trained out of people over long periods of time and STILL is tough to get over. Often people make the huge mistake of comparing these situations to war. Not even close. You go into the zone in war knowing what will be going on. You go into a dinner with your family expecting that not a war. The pattern interrupt is shocking, and the idea that some instinct just kicks in is crazy. Most freeze. These situations happen literally in SECONDS. Not like in the movies in life it happens in seconds. Sometimes even before you have the chance to register the difference in a gunshot and a car backfire. I will leave your idiotic comment about a lack of police alone as it is just insulting to those who choose to put their life on the line every day for you. It is the equivalent of saying no firemen will be there until your house is burning. Do you want a 24/7 police officer for every citizen? God that is just so dumb to say. Your parachute example is crazy. Me having one and misusing it will not kill others. But live in delusion land. It is after all America. See the real disturbing part is you seem to think the ONLY response to save your family is to fire off a weapon. How goofy. It can and often does MAKE YOU A TARGET OF OPPORTUNITY. You become a threat and you become the next thing a spree killer would shoot at. (Don't forget this is not the movies.) You put your family in the position of being targeted by the shooter. And don't forget that 90% of these guys goal is to die. The playing field is not level. They are willing to die to shoot you and your family but you not so much. Not on the level. Even if you are willing to make a sacrifice, it is not on the level of the nut who KNOWS he will die doing what he does. And by the way the bad guys KNOW the situation is happening. They are not startled by it, they recognize it for what it is. Another advantage the internet hero crowd seems to not understand. But then again what does the perspective of a former firearms instructor for the police department matter huh?
Danny Doyle
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2016, acesover wrote: I must agree with your advice here. Given your lack of ability to follow a logical presentation and inability to judge the situations presented here, I am sorry but I have a duty to report you to the authorities. You present a danger to all those around you. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Jun 24, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote: Good guys don't care if you're carrying. Bad guys want to make sure you are not carrying.
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2016, Tom Cutts wrote: Tom, with our history I just can't bring myself to like one of your post but if it means anything to you I did seriously think about it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
A religious man may struggle to live his life within the good practices of his faith. We continue to tolerate a dark evil whic tends to discuss the beliefs and practices of others.
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2016, Jonathan Townsend wrote: What constitutes a dark evil?
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