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Now that Duplicity (by John Bannon, circa 2008) has been out for 8 years, how well is it holding up, especially in comparison to Twisted Sisters (by John Bannon, circa 1993) and B'wave (Phil Goldstein/Max Maven, circa 1990)? Is it passing the test of time, and proving as good or better than its predecessors, or over the long run do you find Twisted Sisters or B'Wave to be superior?

There are lots of old threads comparing B'Wave (more of a mentalism/prediction effect) with Twisted Sisters (more of a magical/transposition effect). But what's the verdict on how Duplicity compares with them? A few thoughts to start: Unlike Twisted Sisters, Duplicity doesn't require two spectators, the plot is a little less complex/confusing, and you finish clean with everything examinable; plus the use of blank faced cards instead of jokers arguably strengthens the final reveal. Like Twisted Sisters, Duplicity benefits from an initial Elmsley count. But you do need to master some basic equivoque for Duplicity, which is already familiar from B'wave. Although B'wave can't be beat for sheer simplicity/elegance, I personally wonder if Duplicity packs more punch.

If you've given Duplicity a fair run and have also tried Twisted Sisters or B'wave previously, now with the benefit of time/experience, which is the effect you find yourself using more today, getting the best reactions with, and why?
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I had used Twisted Sisters for years but pretty much replaced it with Duplicity for the sole reason of it being totally fractal. Also, they do pack the same punch (in my experience) and both can be used revealing blanks or jokers (I don't prefer either so I use whatever is handy). Plus, Duplicity doesn't require 2 spectators. You could use You and the spectator or just the spectator and change the patter / presentation to be more like Twisted Sisters (they are essentially the same effect in mechanics IMO).
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They're all great. But I've always loved B'Wave and that's the one I carry around
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Even though it's a mentalism effect, one thing B'Wave really has going for it is clarity. In his book "Strong Magic" Darwin Ortiz really emphasizes the idea and importance of clarity in an effect.

As good as Twisted Sisters is, it does suffer from a lack of clarity because the plot can be confusing, especially because there are two potential scenarios about how to interpret the transposition (depending on what the spectator chooses), i.e. is the transposition apparent, or is it implied? I realize that a good presentation can help overcome this, but even so, do you think Duplicity overcomes this lack of clarity? It does need to be very clear in the minds of the audience what has actually transposed - a color, a card, or?
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If you have Twisted Sisters you have two sets of B'wave ready to go.
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I am a huge fan of Duplicity. I prefer it to Twisted Sisters because everything is examinable. I prefer it to B'wave because it suggests stronger interaction between performer and spectator, as each is holding a packet of 4 cards and the spectator is determining what is happening to the cards in the performer's hand. And I love the multiple surprises at the end of Duplicity. The first surprise is the same as B'wave, the second is a transposition of cards that have only been thought of, and then there's the blank cards kicker at the end. This trick kills for me every single time I perform it.
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Nothing can replace B'wave or Twisted Sisters! They will stay in the working case.
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IMHO, B'Wave has the end effect as mentalisim and Twisted Sister and Duplicity are magic. All are good. I do like using Duplicity over Twisted Sister.
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On Sep 14, 2018, Wravyn wrote:
IMHO, B'Wave has the end effect as mentalisim and Twisted Sister and Duplicity are magic. All are good. I do like using Duplicity over Twisted Sister.


I agree, B'Wave is a prediction, whereas Twisted Sisters with an Elmsley is pure magic with cards turning over and transpositions taking place.

I like doing B'Wave one on one with an individual. Twisted Sisters on the otherhand, I like to do before an audience with two spectator volunteers.

Although Duplicity ends clean and is pretty much the same effect with aces instead of queens, I'm still partial to Twisted Sisters.
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Duplicity all the way.
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Just to be a contrarian, I'll add Gordon Bean's Entourage to the discussion. As with B'wave, the selected queen turns out to be the only queen, and there's a further impossibility that the named queen appears at the chosen position in the spread. Better than B'wave - freely named choices, NO equivoque. Can be any of the four queens. Worse than B'wave - it uses six cards instead of four (though none are hidden), with the presence of the extra cards (jokers) justified by patter rather than logical necessity.
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All are great/strong but Duplicity has the cutest girl in that video. 😛👍. $.02
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On Oct 1, 2018, Emory Kimbrough wrote:
Just to be a contrarian, I'll add Gordon Bean's Entourage to the discussion. As with B'wave, the selected queen turns out to be the only queen, and there's a further impossibility that the named queen appears at the chosen position in the spread. Better than B'wave - freely named choices, NO equivoque. Can be any of the four queens. Worse than B'wave - it uses six cards instead of four (though none are hidden), with the presence of the extra cards (jokers) justified by patter rather than logical necessity.


If we're expanding the options, I'll go with B'rainiac.
Named card is the only queen (or ace, or whatever you use), all others are blank (I use jokers - I think blanks raise the question of the cards not being "normal"), named card is the only one with a different color back... jokers then change into the other queens that might have been named, and all backs are shown to be different, and examinable.
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I love both Bwave and Entourage for their simplicity, strength and added kickers Olly
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