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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2016, LobowolfXXX wrote: Care to elaborate? What do you mean by "spiritually advanced"? And would Stalin have been better off as a Christian, like Hitler?? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Http://www.breitbart.com/national-securi......tunisia/
"Since the Friday morning terror attack that stole at least 84 lives in Nice, France, investigators have learned that the murderer had started attending a mosque in April, stopped drinking alcohol, grew a beard for religious purposes and sent over £84,000 to family in Tunisia." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jul 20, 2016, R.S. wrote: Didn't take long for Goodwin to take hold did it? Good ol Reductio ad Hitlerum at it's very best.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jul 20, 2016, rockwall wrote: Well, remember, we still don't have any information.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jul 20, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote: Yep. Preceded by good ol' Reductio ad Stalinum! Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
It interests me that no one hesitates to call Timothy McVeigh a terrorist (though they often qualify the word with "domestic" in front of it). Obviously the man was morally disturbed, but we accept that his motivations were ideological rather than suicidal. Why do we have difficulty calling similarly morally disturbed individuals "terrorists" when their ideological motivation is associated with an ethnic or religious group? Are we afraid of calling a terrorist a terrorist, lest we be accused of bigotry?
Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was a terrorist. Whether he was sponsored or supported by a particular group is important to know, I suppose; but does that have any pertinence to the question of whether his crime was an act of terrorism? |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Lots of people are happy calling Bouhlel a terrorist. The rapid jumping to motivation was/is at question.
On a deeper level, we live in a world that has no agreed-upon definition of "terrorist". None. It's a label we use, sometimes with certainly, and often for political purposes. It allows the and torture without charges or trial. It encourages bigotry and talk of registries of identifiable minorities. It allows the qualifier "domestic", and the exclusion of most mass killers because they don't fit the unstated profile. It's politically useful to continue to have no definition of terrorist. Dishonest and useful.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Was he a truck driver? Maybe it was just workplace violence.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Jul 21, 2016, LobowolfXXX wrote: No one in this conversation has ever doubted that he deliberately ran down innocent people. No one in this conversation has denied the possibility that he was associated with a terrorist organization. What has been at question is the haste with which some are willing to ascribe motivation and allegiance before any relevant evidence came forward. Bigots are sometimes correct in their ascriptions of others. But it doesn't justify bigotry.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jul 21, 2016, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Perhaps what it does, instead, is suggest that those who feel that there was no evidence - and thus the only explanation was bigotry - were simply blind to it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Magnus, in all fairness, every news report I read on the 15th called it a terrorist attack. Sometimes jumping to conclusions has nothing to do with bigotry, but credulousness toward our news agencies.
My recollection (perhaps faulty) is that the French authorities had called it a terrorist attack. And we believed them. Tangentially, the German authorities and media has still failed to properly report on the events in Cologne (and elsewhere in Germany) on New Years Eve, ostensibly to avoid anti-refugee backlash. To avoid bigotry, they simply hud the truth from us. Were it not for the international press, we would have hardly heard a thing about it other than there had been a few incidents. In fact, some 1,200 women had been groped and molested. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
No one in this thread has said that it wasn't an act of terrorism. At question is the haste to connect the terrorist with ISIL, Al Qaeda, and Islam.
There may be connections discovered. There is much evidence to be examined yet.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
No one in this thread has said that it wasn't an act of terrorism. At question is the reluctance to connect the terrorist with Islam.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
The connections have been discovered - arrests have been made, the Mosque he attended is known, and the French Interior Minister has publicly stated that he was radicalized. Inconvenient, indeed.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-truck-......l?ref=gs
"Five suspects have been formally charged over the truck attack in the French Riveria city of Nice that killed 84 people, the Paris prosecutor said, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, who mowed down crowds of people enjoying a Bastille Day fireworks display, had long plotted the carnage, prosecutor Francois Molins said." I, however, will continue to withhold judgement until I see if any real connections are discovered. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Germany is now under attack.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Jul 22, 2016, tommy wrote: "At least five people have been killed and 10 injured in a shooting rampage involving three gunmen." "Witnesses said that the gunman screamed 'I'm German' and 'f*** foreigners' before shooting."
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
Reports of the gunman's behaviour were confused and contradictory.
A Muslim woman told CNN that she heard the gunman yell: 'Allahu Akbar,' yet video footage showed a gunman ranting against foreigners and Turks, suggesting a Neo Nazi attack. Children were said to be targeted. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/......-centre/
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The Nazi Muslim Brotherhood began in Munich.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The young German was a lone attacker and shot himself dead.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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