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moiici New user 14 Posts |
A post on new tube.
Here: https://youtu.be/TgNYUlDAPTc Ordinary deck, full shuffle of the whole deck by the spectator no gimmick always succeeds ..... |
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jmbulg Loyal user Belgium 208 Posts |
Very nice and clever idea on the K*****L count but I would not let the video as such with the cards visible, neither the name for the effect, for a long time as it is quite easy to backtrace.
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moiici New user 14 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2016, jmbulg wrote: Nothing to do with the Kruskal trick. The prediction is prior to the shuffle! |
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jmbulg Loyal user Belgium 208 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2016, moiici wrote: Yes of course but you exploit the property of the Kruskal count (not the trick, which is just one application of the property) that all dealing that arrive which at one moment arrive at a common point will finish later on the same final card (here your prediction) but you have a nice way to enforce that all ways lead to Rome... |
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moiici New user 14 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2016, jmbulg wrote: I do not use the property of the Kruskal count. This property does not ensure success in all cases. In contrast, my version always guarantees success. |
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jmbulg Loyal user Belgium 208 Posts |
I know that your outcome is certain, but you exploit the basic property of the Kruskal count, which is that once two different dealings reach the same point, you always will end up at the same final position. Normal Kruskal is just statistically leading to such a situation in most cases, but you found a nice way to enforce it (and which is why I think you should not show the pattern of the cards prior to the riffle shuffle). (We can also continue via PM as I certainly do not want do reveal your nice idea)
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moiici New user 14 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2016, jmbulg wrote: With the Kruskal property, the magicien must see the cards to find the issue. Here, it is not a case. I know a lot about the Kruskal property, I know how this trick is done. It is another property. Here, the magician does not touch nor see the cards. |
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jmbulg Loyal user Belgium 208 Posts |
I fully understand your idea and it is a good one. Just do not mix up the Kruskal trick and the underlying principle of converging paths at some locations. If you make sure (by your method) that the path cross at one point you do not need to rely on statistics and looking at the cards to find the final outcome as you already programmed the place where all possible path eventually cross and this lead to your prediction. Again your method is very nice and there is no need to get defensive or feel critisized (this is certainly not my point).
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moiici New user 14 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2016, jmbulg wrote: The pattern may be displayed. Nothing will appear. |
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jmbulg Loyal user Belgium 208 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2016, moiici wrote: Well it did for me very clearly, so it is up to you if you want to give away your idea ;-) |
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moiici New user 14 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2016, jmbulg wrote: I sent you a private message. |
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jmbulg Loyal user Belgium 208 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2016, moiici wrote: Thanks for the information shared via PM. There is a brilliant aspect of the method which I did not imagine and which opens the door to quite some interesting ideas ! Well done ! |
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Ypnoze Veteran user 394 Posts |
I'm curious to know more about this, I like the first shuffle that is more deceptive than just shuffling the upper part
Can you tell me more about it ? |
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moiici New user 14 Posts |
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On Jul 17, 2016, Ypnoze wrote: I use a new principle which allows full shuffle of the deck. It's all here! |
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jmbulg Loyal user Belgium 208 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2016, jmbulg wrote: Just to clarify : When I say the pattern of cards can lead to the reconstruction of the effect I refer to the video version of course. In real life there is no way the spectator can reconstruct it ) |
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Ypnoze Veteran user 394 Posts |
So it's completely different from the pattern of the butterfly effect ?
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moiici New user 14 Posts |
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On Jul 18, 2016, Ypnoze wrote: The effect is similar, but the spectator shuffle the full deck! |
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Ypnoze Veteran user 394 Posts |
Well you had my curiosity, but now you have my full attention
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moiici New user 14 Posts |
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Ypnoze Veteran user 394 Posts |
Are you releasing it ?
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