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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Why should he disclose anything to anyone? He hasn't pitched anyone to buy his products or sign up to sell them, and it's obvious that none of the responders has any interest in signing on.
Hey, I'm still waiting for imgic to disclose the name of HiS company, from which he's citing statistics.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
If he didn't feel there was a problem with the company, he wouldn't keep dancing around identifying it.
I don't like working for Wal-Mart, but I'm not afraid to say that I do. I'd rather still be working for Art-Mold, but they were liquidated by Norwood Promotions I'd rather still be working for Westinghouse, but they went bankrupt. I'd rather still be working for Marvel Comics, but that didn't work out. So I'm where I am. And I have no problem telling you the name of the company I work for.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jul 28, 2016, TomBoleware wrote: Regarding Trump and the MLM business: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432709/ Quote:
Trump’s Multi-Level Marketing Telecom Endorsement Is Another Example of His Terrible Judgement Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1337 Posts |
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On Jul 28, 2016, LobowolfXXX wrote: It's a consulting company, and the client hasn't authorized us to use their name, so I won't disclose either, I was merely stating how I acquired the knowledge. Our salaries and financial documents are not relevant as I'm not making any claims, nor am I seeking to engage anyone in discussing my industry. Tom may well be happy with his MLM company...I have friends that do Mary Kay and quite content with it. Tom may have sincerely wanted to talk about MLM overall and discuss with others their experiences and lessons learned. Unfortunately, my work with MLM has left me a bit jaded and I'd suspect anyone wanting to merely talk about an opportunity as somebody seeking to get others to sign up. Now excuse me while I go yell at some kids to get off my lawn...
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
This is all in the first chapter of how to sign people up in most of those sham companies.
So is the inevitable send me a PM so we can discuss in private. It is a common tactic used by shady companies. I am not saying the one Tom works for is shady, only that the way he has gone about this is a mirror of a shady companies strategy.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
How does one go about evaluating what is and what is not ethical in business when it is business not personal?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jul 29, 2016, imgic wrote: I would suggest to you that the financial disclosures of the company Tom is involved with are just about as far from relevant to the purposes for which he started this thread.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
They are not all a bunch of crooks but they are the usual suspects.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1337 Posts |
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On Jul 29, 2016, LobowolfXXX wrote: I would agree. But they would go a long way in quelling the backlash that he's getting. Show sone good financial disclose document and quiet the skeptics. Otherwise you're going to have people saying into a scam...
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
You can never quiet the skeptics, it’s in their blood to disagree regardless.
Really, it amazes me how negative some people can be and how they take it on their own to just ‘assume’ so much. I haven’t said one word about signing anybody here up, or having them PM me, or to get in touch with me in anyway. I don’t chase recruits, I don’t beg them, and I don’t allow the naysayers to slow me down. I’ve said over and over that isn’t why I started the thread. I was simply hoping to meet some positive MLM’s here, and I don’t mind hearing the bad experiences too if indeed it is an experience and not a ‘guess’ or a quick google find. For the record, I have over four thousand people in my downline and I am sure every single one of them would tell you that you can make money in this business. Not a single one has lost a penny.I feel like when I sign someone up it is my responsibility to see that they do make money. I don’t just introduce them to a company and send them on their way, that’s not how it works. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2016, TomBoleware wrote: Yes but in your very first post you absolutely DID tell people to PM you.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Multi-Level Marketing is something everybody in business ought to study anyhow as there are ethical problems in all fields and it is one field that is full of them.
One can often learn as much from what is bad as from what is good. It is always interesting to see how things work as principles can be applied to different things or avoided as the case may be.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2016, TomBoleware wrote: So recruiting lots of people is clearly important - perhaps the most important aspect of the business. I would imagine this same philosophy applies to each of the "4,000" people in your downline. And to everyone in their downline. And to everyone in their downline, etc. Is it possible to sustain a 4,000 person (or whatever significant number) profitable downline for EVERYONE involved in the business? And if it is your "responsibility to see that they do make money," then how much time are you spending working with thousands upon thousands of recruits versus actually selling product (and the same goes for them)? How exactly do you "see that they make money"? Doesn't the whole enterprise seem unsustainable in the end? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jul 29, 2016, TomBoleware wrote: But I don't care if they say you can make money in the business, I want to know if they actually have made money (and how much). And just because they haven't lost a penny doesn't mean they have made a profit either. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
You right Danny I did mention pm in the first post but it wasn’t to sign anybody up. Sorry about that.
As for as naming the company, if I have to start defending it over and over, and you know I would, it would appear that that the only purpose of this thread was to recruit. It wasn’t. Ron, nobody needs four thousand in their downline to make money it just so happens I do have that many and it keeps growing. Many get in it to strictly sell the products. Nobody makes money for just signing people up, product must be sold. This is no different from a store, if it doesn't move product it will go out of business. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jul 30, 2016, TomBoleware wrote: Wow, so it sounds like you're already pretty successful. Why even come here looking for tips and ideas? Anyway, how much time have you spent getting/training new recruits versus the amount of time you spent actually selling the product? And about what percentage of people that you try to sell to actually buy the product? Quote:
This is no different from a store, if it doesn't move product it will go out of business. Then why the MLM model? Why not just sell the product like a store would? Isn't getting more and more people involved just diluting the profits for everyone involved? By the way, how many people would you say are upstream from you? Do some of YOUR profits go to anybody else who is doing the same thing as you? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Jack Straw Inner circle Wichita 1020 Posts |
Tom has to make at least $1 a month from each of the suckers in his downline, so that's about $1,000 a week.
Living in one of the most economically disadvantaged states in the USA makes him a rich guy with that sort of income. I'm in!
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow We can share the women, we can share the wine |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Ron,
“Why even come here looking for tips and ideas?” We never learn everything there is to know. Now do we. “Why not just sell the product like a store would?” Because you sell much more through direct marketing. “Isn't getting more and more people involved just diluting the profits for everyone involved?” No not at all. Just like having more than one McDonald’s doesn’t seem to hurt. “Do some of YOUR profits go to anybody else who is doing the same thing as you?” Of course they do. It’s all about sharing profits that would have otherwise been wasted on overhead costs like rent, advertising, and all the other costs of running a brick and mortar business. It’s called cutting out the middle men. When Sam’s club moves to an area, people join the buying club and start telling everyone how much they saved. This is the power of word of mouth advertising. Major advertising agencies and companies count on this. This is one of the things that we do as network marketers. The major difference is that we get paid for our word of mouth advertising. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
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On Jul 30, 2016, Jack Straw wrote: Jack, LOL I am retired this is just a spare time thing for me. Doesn't take much for me. LOL Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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