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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Dan Harlan is on Penn & Teller Fool Us right now! He is doing Cartoon "with a twist."
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
He Fooled them! I knew that was coming (examinable deck) since he said "with a twist" lol.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
I'll admit that it was a very clever ploy I haven't seen used before that I would have thought P&T would have picked up on...if they haven't been lured into complacency by an effect they thought they already knew.
Ray Pierce
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
There are a few things I wonder if actually fool them. I have no idea the "rules" of the show so it is tough to say.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Robert M Inner circle 2482 Posts |
Dan Harlan is a very clever guy.
Doing a trick he created - possibly the best selling card trick of all time - and using a completely different method (with what looked like the standard handling) to fool P&T was brilliant. He took a trick that he knew P&T had seen performed hundreds of times and fooled them with it. Did you see Penn looking through the deck at the end?? He was definitely fooled. On another subject... what happened to Jonathan Ross??? Robert |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Yeah I know two things he could have done for the deck to be examinable and he used P&T's previous knowledge as misdirection itself as they knew what to look for so they were more relaxed. Jonathan was good not sure what happened to him but I like Willow from Buffy still. Magicians are easier to fool most of the time especially when they look for something that is not there, or they fake moves etc which is kinda a cheap way of doing it. I prefer when an effect itself can fool them as opposed to faking moves.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
There is no better time for misdirection than at "the end" of the trick.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Jeff Haas Special user 929 Posts |
Jonathan Ross is a pretty major TV presence in the UK, he's been a well-known presenter/host for years. I'd guess he wasn't available.
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Wonder why they would not mention why he was not there? Seems like he quit or was let go or something. No one even mentioned his name or why he was gone. Maybe he could not do this season but kinda odd that they acted like he was never there.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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KristoBall Regular user 112 Posts |
I think it was brilliant for Dan to enter the competition under the guide of showing his awesome trick on national TV and then pulling the rug out of their expectations. I'm pretty sure they would have figured it out on its own merits otherwise. I wish the producers hadn't added "with a twist" to the intro, as it took away some of the suspense for us, as we knew something like that was coming right from the start (of course... not for the vast majority of viewers).
On that note, I'm not surprised to see more "FU" trophies this season. Probably the producers want to increase that rate, and have 1-2 Foolers per show. People like confetti and wins. If you watch cooking shows, it's no fun when Bobby Flay wins. Same thing. |
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Munseys_Magic Special user 520 Posts |
According to this link, it was a "mutual decision" between Ross and the CW to go their separate ways.
http://tvline.com/2016/03/31/alyson-hann......-the-cw/ I do know from Penn's podcast that he is a big fan of Ross and thought he did a great job as host. |
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DanHarlan V.I.P. 998 Posts |
So, first of all, no pre-show is allowed, but one could instant-stooge if one wanted to. The reason Penn & Teller were fooled is they ultimately believed I was using the standard, commercially-available "Card-Toon" and everything else I did was a bluff. In the edited version of their comments, you don't get to see me ask them that directly (to which they reply "Yes.") before I sheepishly apologize for fooling them... my favorite moment.
Regarding trick selection, the producers specifically requested I perform "Card-Toon," but I decided to put in the extra work to actually try to fool P&T. Fortunately, it worked exactly as I had hoped. Remember, this is a game show and I played by the rules. So, yes, I took advantage of their preconceived notions... how could I not? --Harlan |
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Munseys_Magic Special user 520 Posts |
Hi Dan,
1) Congrats on fooling them. It was brilliant! 2) I just bought "All Seeing Eye" and love it. Great job! 3) Three questions about Fool Us: a) After fooling them, is it customary for the performer to tell them how the trick was really accomplished? If not, do you think Johnny Thompson or another producer tells them? b) Were you specifically told that no pre-show work was allowed, or is this an assumption? c) When you perform it in their show, will you use the customary method or do you have to use the method you used to fool P & T? Best wishes for continued success, Jim |
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Michael Dustman Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 1220 Posts |
Penn has talked about Season 3 of Fool Us on a couple different of his Sunday school podcasts. Most recently, he cited a scheduling conflict with Ross that no matter how they tried to move the schedule, it wasn't working out to have him back for this season. One of the better episodes from the Sunday School archives is from the past year when Ross was a guest on the podcast and talked about his thoughts on hosting the show. I don't get any sense from Penn's comments recently that there is any animosity or anything. All sounds like bad timing more than anything else.
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
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On Jul 22, 2016, DanHarlan wrote: Why would the producers ask for a specific, and commercially available, trick? Seems inconsistent with the stated objective of the show. Non the less, what I assume to be Dan's extra "twist" was very sneaky/clever, even his comments to P&T. I would guess that P & T would be mindful of this in the future. John
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Steven_Parlette New user 15 Posts |
Dan, congratulations on fooling Penn & Teller.
Making a change from the standard handling is pure genius. Steve |
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DanHarlan V.I.P. 998 Posts |
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a) After fooling them, is it customary for the performer to tell them how the trick was really accomplished? If not, do you think Johnny Thompson or another producer tells them? I don't believe there's any standard procedure. I guess it's up to the act or P&T. I did not have to reveal the details of my method and they did not ask. Quote:
b) Were you specifically told that no pre-show work was allowed, or is this an assumption? It's in the Artist's Agreement. Quote:
c) When you perform it in their show, will you use the customary method or do you have to use the method you used to fool P & T? No-one has stated that I must use the same method (or even the same trick), but I don't have the details yet. If it's up to me, I'll opt for the original method. There's nothing wrong with it... it just wouldn't have fooled them. Quote:
Why would the producers ask for a specific, and commercially available, trick? Seems inconsistent with the stated objective of the show. That's what I thought, too, and asked them. I was told they "loved" the trick. I mentioned it had already been done by Jamie Raven on BGT (and heavily exposed as a result) and they said, "We love that trick and that's the one we want." To be honest, I felt nudged into a corner... so I said, "Yes." Then, I created a half-dozen alternate methods, chose the one that I could put together in the limited amount of time I have to devote to side-projects, rehearsed it a few times, tried it in my show here, and took it out to Vegas. I was pleased it went as well as it did. --Harlan |
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Dr. J Maggio New user 14 Posts |
What a great performance, Dan.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jul 22, 2016, DanHarlan wrote: This sort of goes along the lines of what I always thought of the show. They had Gazo do Cups and Balls for them. NO WAY they could have been fooled by a trick in their own show. BUT they asked him on as an obvious CELEBRATION of great magic. No it would not "fool them" but they get to show off arguably one of the best cups and balls routines ever. This is more to me what that show seems to be. When he was done they complimented the heck out of him. They seem to love to watch magic like that. Seems to be the same idea here. Not so sure the idea of "fooling them" is such a big deal, but getting great magic out there for people to see. But then when you add the twist of actually fooling them with something they thought they had a line on wow it had to be an experience for them. They are doing a magic variety show with a different theme. Kudos to them! (And to you sir.)
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
That is what I said and though in the beginning as well, that it looked like a show that showcased magic and magicians and the fooling part is simply a bonus. I would not be surprised if it was all scripted as most shows are. But as long as they do "legitimate magic" as opposed to that fave "TV Magic" stuff I do not mind. Would seem that some like Sankey even use the show for more exposure and marketing. I said that in a Sankey thread about his Sparkler trick, and that he fooled them in the sense that he used the show for worldwide exposure to sell his trick. He also did the "fake moves" I believe which I am not a fan of then made a video about it all saying he actually "fooled them." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bnGxdoTJ6E
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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