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Cliffg37
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For those not local, or those who have not heard the Disneyland (Actually California Adventure, the Disney park next door) attraction, "The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror" will soon be no more. It was never one of my favorites, but it is one of the more thrilling of the Disney rides. The mechanical ride will still be there, but it is being re-themed to feature "The Guardians of the Galaxy."

I knew this was coming. The day I heard that Disney bought Marvel comics I knew. Lets face it. Comic book characters and Comic book movies attract a very different audience than a Micky Mouse cartoon would. I am not saying it is a bad thing, but I see a time when the innocence and beauty of all things Disney are gone, replaced by icons that demonstrate the worship of the almighty dollar.
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"Comic book characters and Comic book movies attract a very different audience than a Micky Mouse cartoon would."

Yeah, one attracts a kid from last century, the other attracts a kid from this century. Smile
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Disney was not (and is not) about that nostalgic "innocence and beauty" which many today label it with. That impression only comes when looking backward through time at it. Disney today is doing much the same as it did early on, but adjusted for the realities of today.
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On Sep 8, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
For those not local, or those who have not heard the Disneyland (Actually California Adventure, the Disney park next door) attraction, "The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror" will soon be no more. It was never one of my favorites, but it is one of the more thrilling of the Disney rides. The mechanical ride will still be there, but it is being re-themed to feature "The Guardians of the Galaxy."

I knew this was coming. The day I heard that Disney bought Marvel comics I knew. Lets face it. Comic book characters and Comic book movies attract a very different audience than a Micky Mouse cartoon would. I am not saying it is a bad thing, but I see a time when the innocence and beauty of all things Disney are gone, replaced by icons that demonstrate the worship of the almighty dollar.


The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror had nothing to do with the innocence and beauty of all things Disney.
In fact, your last line could have been attributed to Disney putting UP the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror.
Disney want Marvel (and Star Wars) because it just couldn't develop characters that would attract the teen boy market.
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Does anyone remember when the Yippies took over Tom Sawyer's Island? Lynn
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Let's not forget that the home to "classic" Disney is Disneyland in California and The Magic Kingdom in Florida.

TZ-ToT is in neither of those places, so changing it doesn't effect "classic" Disney at all.
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I am more of a fan of the old classic Disney than the new stuff. I have never been to Disney Land but I do have an old classic leather flying jacket from Disney with Micky Mouse on. I love the paintings on the old USA airplanes
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The thing to remember that all the innocence and beauty was just a way to make an all mighty dollar from day one. It was marketing pure and simple nothing more.

They are moving forward. The stockholders love it.
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I don't think so. I think that if you go back to Walt, he had a vision. He was already rich and successful, but wanted something more....

What he wanted none of us know. But it was more than money. He was a visionary. A strange visionary to be sure, but a visionary nonetheless.
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Every artist is a story teller, each piece tells a tale. Or at least there ought to be some meaning or idea about the work. I think that is what makes people buy it or into it. Magicians are like live fantasy characters and the absurdity of magic is what makes it amusing. I is all very magical don't you think?
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On Sep 14, 2016, stoneunhinged wrote:
I don't think so. I think that if you go back to Walt, he had a vision. He was already rich and successful, but wanted something more....

What he wanted none of us know. But it was more than money. He was a visionary. A strange visionary to be sure, but a visionary nonetheless.


So was Steve Jobs.
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Yes, Steve Jobs was also a visionary.

But he's dead, and so is Walt. So we get: iPhone 7 and Guardians of the Galaxy.

I ain't complaining.
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If ol Walt didn't care about money why charge to get into the park in the first place?
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People don't fly on airplanes but on magic carpets called money.
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If ol Walt didn't care about money why charge to get into the park in the first place?


Oh, he cared about money, of course. But he was also creepy about creating some kind of cosmetically perfect world free of all blemishes and defects, and such a Vision goes beyond the simple quest for a buck. It's bigger and weirder than that. It's more like ART. Walt was an ARTIST at heart. If an artist can make a fortune, that doesn't stop them from being an artist.

And another point: had they not charged to get into the park, it would have been overrun. It was enormously popular from day one. Now they charge an obscenely large amount of money (I actually find the entrance fee to be morally offensive) but hey, the park is full.

And one last point: I may be full of doodie. I'm basing my views on a documentary I saw. Full disclosure requires me to admit that I never met Walt Disney personally, though I have been to three of his parks.
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I live 12 miles from Disneyland and while there are some discounts available, and some package deals as well, it basically costs an adult $100 to walk through the gate. then there is the preposterous cost of food. My daughter is now 16, and we have not been there in a couple of years. The sad truth is that we really need to think about it carefully if we are to drop $400 (parking gate and food)on one day of entertainment. It really bothers me.

But, on the other side of the coin, what is Disney providing for the money? A lot.

1) top level kids entertainment (some big kids like me enjoy it too)
2) Lots of services. Spill a tray of food on the ground somewhere, it will be spotted and cleaned in less than two minutes.
3) Rides are well maintained, clean and family oriented.
4) Safety. There are very few incidents that happen there (yes there have been some that are well publicized)
5) Salaries. Lots of minimum wage earners, but lots of them. Many people on staff are not minimum wage.
6) I have no idea what there utilities bill must be, but it must be amazingly high.

So while we can complain about prices, the cost is high and sure, they make their money, but maybe not as much as we think.
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You don't have to guess what they make. It is published for shareholders.

Like I said it is about money. Even for Disney. To think otherwise is naive.
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On Sep 13, 2016, tommy wrote:
I am more of a fan of the old classic Disney than the new stuff. I have never been to Disney Land but I do have an old classic leather flying jacket from Disney with Micky Mouse on. I love the paintings on the old USA airplanes


You mean like this one?

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On Sep 8, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
For those not local, or those who have not heard the Disneyland (Actually California Adventure, the Disney park next door) attraction, "The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror" will soon be no more. It was never one of my favorites, but it is one of the more thrilling of the Disney rides. The mechanical ride will still be there, but it is being re-themed to feature "The Guardians of the Galaxy."

I knew this was coming. The day I heard that Disney bought Marvel comics I knew. Lets face it. Comic book characters and Comic book movies attract a very different audience than a Micky Mouse cartoon would. I am not saying it is a bad thing, but I see a time when the innocence and beauty of all things Disney are gone, replaced by icons that demonstrate the worship of the almighty dollar.

If you are right, and sadly you may be, that is the most profoundly sad thing I can ever imagine.
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There is growing push back here in Florida...

Even in California it seems ... https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney......f-terror
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5RzEt02s30
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