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O.K., o I'm watching the Bob White DVD on the cups & balls, (which incidentally, I really, really like.) He's talking about moves looking natural, but then he's sticking the wand under his arm pit. Natural? I don't think so, yet I see a lot of cup workers doing it. Is there something that I'm missing? It seems so much more natural to me to use the table that's in front of you. As Oscar Hammerstein's king would say; it's a puzzlement.
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I've never thought twice about it, but I'm willing to bet it goes back to busker history. Sure, there are the move and misdirection reasons to do it, but maybe early street performers had limited table space and out of convenience and necessity adopted the practice? Conjecture on my part, and I eagerly await answers from those who actually know.
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I'm NOT a "C & B: guy, but, I do remember that when Roy Benson published his "Benson Bowl Routine"" in "PHOENIX" in the early '50s he stressed putting his wand under his arm. When I'm more awake, I can dig out the "PHOENIX" INDEX for an exact date. I don't know if the practice began long before that, however.
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I can understand doing it if you are presenting a routine when you are sitting cross legged on the floor, which might be where it came from. I notice that Gazzo uses his table as do many others.
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I find nothing wrong with this in the right situation. I use the area under my arms to hold stuff all the time. Table or not. Just depends on what is normal for you
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On Sep 24, 2016, Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse wrote:
I find nothing wrong with this in the right situation. I use the area under my arms to hold stuff all the time. Table or not. Just depends on what is normal for you

Just out of curiosity, when you are working behind a table, what other props do you put up in your armpit?
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On Sep 24, 2016, Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse wrote:
I find nothing wrong with this in the right situation. I use the area under my arms to hold stuff all the time. Table or not. Just depends on what is normal for you

Just out of curiosity, when you are working behind a table, what other props do you put up in your armpit?


Chinese sticks fans anything that shaped. News papers as well. You know things people carry under their arms.
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There are many things that people carry under their arm, but C & B men are the only ones that I have ever seen carrying them all the way up into their arm pits for apparently no reason. It just doesn't look natural to me, and with a table in front of you, and unless I'm missing something, there is no advantage to hold it that way.
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Well lucky for us, spectators don't think things like "Hmm, how did he get those oranges under there? I GOT IT! He put the wand in his armpit!" But seriously, people don't handle wands, so there is no natural way to handle one. If you put it in your armpit, from their point of view, that is how you handle a wand.
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There is nothing unnatural about leaving the wand momentarily under the armpit in order to free the hand so that it can accomplish some other task.
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There is nothing unnatural about leaving the wand momentarily under the armpit in order to free the hand so that it can accomplish some other task.

I wouldn't look as awkward to me if I had to move away from the table. Otherwise, why wouldn't you use the table?
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Well lucky for us, spectators don't think things like "Hmm, how did he get those oranges under there? I GOT IT! He put the wand in his armpit!" But seriously, people don't handle wands, so there is no natural way to handle one. If you put it in your armpit, from their point of view, that is how you handle a wand.

It doesn't only apply to magician's wands. I see guys doing the same thing with markers and butter knives that they use as wands during C & B routines, and can't recall it being done in any other routine.
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Well lucky for us, spectators don't think things like "Hmm, how did he get those oranges under there? I GOT IT! He put the wand in his armpit!" But seriously, people don't handle wands, so there is no natural way to handle one. If you put it in your armpit, from their point of view, that is how you handle a wand.

It doesn't only apply to magician's wands. I see guys doing the same thing with markers and butter knives that they use as wands during C & B routines, and can't recall it being done in any other routine.


Watch a person doing Chinese sticks. You will see it up into the under arm. Watch a layperson with a newspaper getting change. It goes right in the armpit as they use both hands to put the change away. It is a natural action to free up both hands. I mean where else are you going to put it? Between your legs? Stick it in your mouth like a little kid? No The armpit is natural. Lay people do it magicians do it. It's is a pretty good place to get a good hold on something when you need both hands.
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You can lay the wand on the table, but it doesn't matter. Audience members also use their armpits to hold rolled newspapers and other items as others have pointed out here. They are not going to wonder why the magician chose to place the wand under his armpit. Perhaps it's a little quicker than reaching out to find a spot on the table to place the wand.

Let's say it's a bit more convenient to place the wand under the armpit.
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Leo, I'm not questioning how it looks to the audience, I'm just questioning if there is a reason to put it under your arm rather than on the table which is sitting in front of you. It seems to me that that the more natural, and more graceful move, would be to place it on the table. The whole key here is the table that you are sitting, or standing behind. All of the other props in the routine are on the table, and unless there is a specific reason to hold a specific prop hunt ne'er your arm, so are all of you other props that need a place to rest.
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The reason is that it is more convenient to put the wand under your arm than to look for a spot on the table to put there. This applies to the standing performer. If sitting, then laying the wand on the table makes more sense.
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Or, you could make up a story about it being bad for the magic in the wand to put it on a table (or whatever the surface is) unprotected. Keep it in a special bag that "protects" it, and now you have patter around it.
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Or, you could make up a story about it being bad for the magic in the wand to put it on a table (or whatever the surface is) unprotected. Keep it in a special bag that "protects" it, and now you have patter around it.


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I wouldn't do it, but I'm suggesting that if Jake is so convinced that it's unnatural, he could make up a story about it.
Similar to how some coin workers will explain why they're using old silver coins by talking about them being in the family, or a great grandfather that could do wondrous things with them.
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I also put a blooming flower in my arm pit while I look for my wand.

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