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Michael Rubinstein
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I am planning on selling a coin trick that uses a cup as a receptacle. I can include a cup from a cups and balls set (the shape is important for one of the moves), or include a chop cup. They look the same, but the chop cup would raise the cost of the trick by $15-20. The magnet has nothing to do with the trick, but might appeal to people who could use the cup for a dual purpose. Which do you think would be more attractive...a trick that stands by itself, or a trick with a dual purpose that would cost $15-20 more? Thanks in advance for your input
AT LAST - a NEW fun coins across!! MIGRATE is filled with laughs, magic, cool moves, lasts over 3 minutes, uses props, comes in a Poker Chip version or special Deluxe version with coins, and is about...BEARS!
https://youtu.be/gGjMtW1DLjA

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Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
Daryl -the other brother
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I vote for the magnet. I've always been a fan of props that have more than one use As a worker, the versatility is worth an extra $ 15-20.
Tom Jorgenson
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A you might give any buyer their choice. Let them decide.
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I don't know what the trick is, but when I make a purchase, price only figures in a little bit. My main thought is can I make the effect work for me on stage? As such I would vote for the versatility of the chop cup.
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Michael Rubinstein
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Tom, I can only carry a certain amount for my tour. The cup will look identical, but the price would $50 with the chop cup, $30 with a regular cup. remember, the cup is only used to hold the coins, not for any secret moves, although I use this style because the recessed bottom allows me to do something at the end. So, as an attendee of a magic lecture, would you buy this trick for $30 if you liked the trick, or spend $50 for the exact same trick but have as a bonus a chop cup and balls you could also use for something else? Would the idea of getting a chop cup justify you spending an extra 20 bucks, or since you are buying a coin trick will you just get the trick at the best price? Remember, it looks the same and works the same for my trick.
AT LAST - a NEW fun coins across!! MIGRATE is filled with laughs, magic, cool moves, lasts over 3 minutes, uses props, comes in a Poker Chip version or special Deluxe version with coins, and is about...BEARS!
https://youtu.be/gGjMtW1DLjA

Send inquiries to rubinsteindvm@aol.com

Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
Magnus Eisengrim
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Must the trick use American coins? Many coins (e.g Canadian) are attracted to magnets. Would the chop cup prevent local currencies from being used.
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Hello Michael. For most magicians I believe would pay the $30 for the trick and the cup. I think most magicians may already own a chop cup such as myself so I would not need to pay an extra $20 for one. From a purely financial point of view if you are on a tour and have other items to sell then it frees up $20 more for the attendees to purchase other items you have since they may not wish to spend all $50 on just one item. Howard
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I vote for versatility. Always been a fan of that.
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Michael Rubinstein
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The routine is a wildcoin plot, that uses old english pennies and a gold coin. So, the magnet wouldn't be an issue unless someone wanted to change the currency. But if they did, they probably would just get the lecture notes and do it all on their own. My guess is that anyone with a chop cup or cups and balls set wouldn't buy the trick, but if they don't have either they would buy the set, with the question again relating to the type of cup and the price. Some people might buy the entire set just so they won't have to find the coins.
AT LAST - a NEW fun coins across!! MIGRATE is filled with laughs, magic, cool moves, lasts over 3 minutes, uses props, comes in a Poker Chip version or special Deluxe version with coins, and is about...BEARS!
https://youtu.be/gGjMtW1DLjA

Send inquiries to rubinsteindvm@aol.com

Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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I would vote for giving the customer the option of either one or both.
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Inasmuch as you want this prepackaged – i.e., no option for the customer to choose – I'd go with the chop cup.

Explain the advantages, versatility, and so on. If they decide that it's too expensive, you can still sell them the routine without the props.

In the final analysis, you have to try to decide whether the average customer already has a chop cup without having a standard cups and balls set. I think that that's less likely than the alternative (i.e., having a cups and balls set without having a chop cup).

In any case, best of luck on your marketing. I think that either way, it should sell well, given your reputation.
Jonathan Townsend
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I hear you about carrying lots of cups and costs.

It may come down to how appealing the cup is and how that appeal links to a desire to do other tricks with that cup.

Are you prepared to sell lots of cups?...mail order...thinking of Kainoa's recent item and ....

What to sell? Suggest a base set using an ordinary cup/coffee mug, a few nice copper cups as deluxe and be prepared for a mail order round two if the visual appeal of the metal cup catches on.
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Julie
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Hello Michael

You might want to consider developing a strong chop cup routine taking advantage of the unique shape of your chop cup. Price this separately from the first effect.

Make it known this chop cup will compliment the first coin trick and offer a DISCOUNT/COMBO PRICE when both are purchased together.

Julie
Michael Rubinstein
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Thank you all for your helpful suggestions. At this point I am leaning toward selling the coin set and dvd at one price, and the coins, dvd and chop cup combo as the complete routine. My thought here is that people who want the trick but have a cup would want at least the coins, and if they like the cup I use they would pay for the full version. The cup isn't that much more pricey than the regular metal cup from a cups and balls set, and does come with a nice bag and balls. Plus, my good friend Mike Gallo is going to give me permission to include a separate routine that would use coins and a chop cup, so they get much more! Thanks again to all for your input! Smile Smile Smile
AT LAST - a NEW fun coins across!! MIGRATE is filled with laughs, magic, cool moves, lasts over 3 minutes, uses props, comes in a Poker Chip version or special Deluxe version with coins, and is about...BEARS!
https://youtu.be/gGjMtW1DLjA

Send inquiries to rubinsteindvm@aol.com

Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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