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magicstudent8416
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In particular what would ones in the royal road dvds would be considered self working as that is the main release I am working from at the moment. My bad if there is a section which discusses it on them; I work so much at the moment that I only find time to watch for ten minutes here and there so it is taking me a long time to get through them all.

I still don't quite know what self working entails. Well I get the general idea but interested to hear some prime examples of what some would be in card magic.
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Self working seems, I think, to most often refer to card tricks that require no, or very little, in the way of sleight of hand. They usually, therefore, rely more on mathematical principles, clever subterfuge, or card manipulation so that are extremely easy to perform.
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To look for examples one could look at the contents of the BBM DVD series 'Ultimate Self-Working Card Tricks'.
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The very phrase 'self working' is a misnomer. Somehow this got embedded in the magic lexicon. Coz, there is absolutely no trick which is self working - other than like a sunrise or earth revolution or gravity etc. Every trick strictly needs some working - whether moves or calculations or even just maybe patter to make it look impressive. I think self working simply means easy in the magic jargon. Because no trick can work without a performer. Just some thoughts.

So instead of defining tricks by the phrase self working, if some other parameter can be applied, the result will be easier and clearer. Like one parameter can be 'zero sleights' or 'marked cards' or 'math tricks' etc. Hope that makes sense.
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On Sep 29, 2016, IMAGINACIAN wrote:
The very phrase 'self working' is a misnomer. Somehow this got embedded in the magic lexicon. Coz, there is absolutely no trick which is self working - other than like a sunrise or earth revolution or gravity etc. Every trick strictly needs some working - whether moves or calculations or even just maybe patter to make it look impressive. I think self working simply means easy in the magic jargon. Because no trick can work without a performer. Just some thoughts.

So instead of defining tricks by the phrase self working, if some other parameter can be applied, the result will be easier and clearer. Like one parameter can be 'zero sleights' or 'marked cards' or 'math tricks' etc. Hope that makes sense.


Well I think that is rather pedantic. Language itself isn't an exact explanation of the real world it is just shorthand. Sure some explanations are more accurate than others. I see how the term could be misleading though and it isn't necessary to focus on what is and isn't self working but rather what you would like to learn.
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Self-working = no sleights, Impromptu = no preparation (stack, gaffs etc).
You can have self-working impromptu, self-working not impromptu, impromptu not self-working, or neither.

People might have different exact definitions. And no taxonomy is perfect, some things might be borderline.
For example, you might consider a very small stack to still be impromptu.
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Bannon give his take on what counts as a self worker on the DVD Move Zero. Cool DVD.
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Bannon give his take on what counts as a self worker on the DVD Move Zero. Cool DVD.


Or better still, his book Destination Zero!

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Bannon give his take on what counts as a self worker on the DVD Move Zero. Cool DVD.


Yes, a very good release. John's takes are highly interesting and very entertaining. All worker material.
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On Oct 2, 2016, Terrible Wizard wrote:
Bannon give his take on what counts as a self worker on the DVD Move Zero. Cool DVD.


Or better still, his book Destination Zero!


Mark

Good call mlippo!
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I second the Bannon DVD. I just have Vol 1 but very, very good stuff. I was a little disappointed by the BBM Ultimate self-working card tricks Vol 1. I think they kind of butchered pre-preconficuartion which is one of my favorite card tricks to perform. Also they do not put enough explanation into 4,5,6 which is one of the more difficult tricks that looks really amazing but is prone to failure if you just follow their directions.
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Hello magicstudent8416 et al

For some really GREAT "self-working" (easy-to-do, yet impressive) card material, I suggest you check out John Scarne On Card Tricks. It's an older publication that is often found combined with John Scarne On Magic Tricks.

Both are references you will appreciate and come back to for quality presentations throughout your magical life. (Inexpensive, too.)

Have FUN!

Julie
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The Fulves Self-Working series are absolute GOLDMINES of material. Many people nowadays don't realize that a good majority of that material is reprinted from his various periodicals. Not to mention the swath of plundered and uncredited material from magic's past luminaries.
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I second the Bannon DVD. I just have Vol 1 but very, very good stuff. I was a little disappointed by the BBM Ultimate self-working card tricks Vol 1. I think they kind of butchered pre-preconficuartion which is one of my favorite card tricks to perform. Also they do not put enough explanation into 4,5,6 which is one of the more difficult tricks that looks really amazing but is prone to failure if you just follow their directions.

The book is even better!
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