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Hi everyone

I wonder if anyone knows of any organisation outside of Guiness that would verify record attempts. Guiness will not verify my Posey on Stilts escape, they say it is unchallengeable, which is an odd way of thinking. So I would like to look into other ways of having it verified. My current time for this esape is around 1.30 minutes.

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So get one of us to challenge it. Even I can fall off a pair of stilts. lol No, really get a few folks together for a first ever record attempt and when you beat them, you are the new record holder. They just have to stand there on stilts in a straight jacket and try.

Pretty easy for them to do whatever they want. Some one should be watching them to make sure they report records properly.
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Alright then... If someone wants to challenge it I will write up the rules I have been abiding by. Any takers?

The idea of getting some people together and just setting it is good. I will look into that, it would be good to have it overseen by a proper governing body though.

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David,

Perhaps if I write off to GWR and say I want to do the fastest on Stilts they'll agree to it (two people means it's already been challenged!). I just won't mention the fact that I can't walk on stilts! Smile

Let me know ....

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Hey its worth a go james.

Or maybe I could teach you to walk on stilts, then we could make it a REAL challenge! Smile
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I think you should James. It won't be that hard. Maby you could get the kind of stilts that strap on your legs like the drywall guys use. Make sure David takes you to the place with all the thick mats on the floor where he learned how.
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Will there be a ban on durastilts?
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How difficult can walking on stilts actually be?? Probably no worse than learning to ride a unicycle!

Of course, after 10 years, I can still only fall off one of those. Smile

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That's a thought, do Guiness have a record for SJ escapes from a giraffe unicycle? I know of a few guys who do that one, so there's definitely competition potential.
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Grr.. Dura stilts.. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
I wish I was allowed to swear here!!!

Walking on stilts isn't all that hard. The difficulty is walking on them in public spaces, uneven surfaces, people pushing you, stuff to slip on, and lots of other hazards. Plus you can't jump off them like you can on a unicycle when the scally comes to kick you legs out from under you, you can't land on your feet if you fall.

It is easier to learn to walk on stilts than it is to learn unicycling, but it is harder to perform in public on them because of a range of hazards. I consider myself very profficent on stilts, staircases anyone? moving walkways, escalators, the dancefloor at Cream Nightclub on a packed saturday! Smile

About (grrr) durastilts, I hate them all all that stand on them. Anyone can walk on durastilts and they are limited in what you can do. Lots of people have come along recently who walk on them, they don't do anything else and have few, if any other skills, they are also usually people after an additional living. As such they undercut all the skilled pros. Also, durastilts ruin stiltwalking for the audience, who are looking for a gimmick, and find one when the see the dura's. Think of a poor magician who exposes every trick while he performs it, and probably performs it badly too. The next person that see's a pro similar trick just thinks, yeah, I saw how that was done, that guy sucked didn't he, and walks away.
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The thing with Guinness is that they want records to be broken, they did not go for the fastest to 1000 escapes from handcuffs as it was too specialised despite the fact they have the one for the most escapes in one hour.

The trouble is finding a record that people on the outside of the art would want to try and better if they sat down and thought about it.

Maybe you have to specify the hight of the stilts and the rules a little more.
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Hi Stuart

Actually I do have the rules clearly stated, including the stilt height. I get the idea that Guinness can be a bit fickle, one minute they are saying that records have to be clearly defined, challengeable, and easily classified, as you are saying above. The next minute they get a glass walker on TV and award her the title, Guinness world record holder for being the master of glass! Then they close off what is already a completely undefined, and therefore unchallengeable category, go figure!

I am likely to be attempting another record that Guinness have accepted, so I might do the stilt one on the same day and send the info along with it. I will already have independent assessors at the venue for the other record so it won't be any problem to have them assess the stilt one too. If Guinness don't accept it I will claim it anyway as long as the time as good, and the independent assessors agree I abided by the rules.

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Cool...

The trouble with records are that very few people want to break them (Massive hint to anyone out there, please break mine!)
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Hi David

Many moons ago, I Justly clamed the World record for the "Fastest Escape" from a
"Regulation Strait jacket " ( under 5 seconds !) Origionaly held by a Bill Shirk.

The record has since been discontinued as it just became in the words of one Guiness official..... Laughable!.

What I have come to realize as well as the Staff at "Guiness Records " is that is that there are 'Many Kinds of Strait jackets out there. All of which Guiness consider "regulation"

Now for the Educational segment of this post... ha ha

Personally I would NEVER consider a Strait jacket "Regulation" Unless it has what is known as a "Martingale strap" Or a Crotch strap, Which if the jacket is applied properly will hopefully prevent the patient/ crimianl from pulling the Jacket over there head like a sweater & Escaping.

When I claimed the record I used a posey w/ roller buckles. Shirk on the other hand used a " modified" Humaine restraint Jacket WithOut the crotch strap, so here is where we encounter the problem...as both jackets are considered "regulatioin"

NO I will not get into the Question of weather or not the jacket has Chest & or Side loops as any 'Pro " Escapologist will tell you this makes Escape Tough if not Impossible!

My personal feeling is that Guiness just became so fed up w/ the whole thing, that they bacialy 'Closed the shop doors on this entry.

Now I Think that as David & Stuart already said that an " interesting new angel has to be found, to do a version of the jacket under controled conditions with the EXACT same make of Jacket & Stilts Etc.

So keep those thinking caps on everyone. & get "Novel Escapes " back in the record books!!

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Hmmm - perhaps I could write a book about "Novel" escapes !!
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That was the problem with the handcuff challenge. They needed to have a specific type with verified serial numbers and from a suitable level of history attached to them.

It is getting the 'back story' right that takes the time and the effort.
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