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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
I think perhaps some may take this BB too seriously. It is not a discussion board for working hustlers or professional gamblers. When one cuts through all the "fluff" and hyperbole, it consists basically of discussions and comments by magicians,"gambling" demonstrators and hobbyists about what they "academically think" is applicable in a real gambling situations, not necessarily what really is.
So, academically speaking... Quote:
On Oct 3, 2016, Chris wrote: Sounds fair and reasonable to me. Quote:
On Oct 3, 2016, JFX wrote: This also sounds fair and reasonable to me. Until someone reads the material, which costs the price of a Starbucks coffee , how would we know if it has anything of value or not? On the positive side, this thread has gotten a lot of activity... which is a very big plus. |
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The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts |
Admit it guys, you don't care how good the video is. Some of you already bought it to see if there is anything in it you haven't already thought of... and if there is, you will never admit it but rather you'll tell us all that you were doing that in the 70's.
Don't bring your hold'em ideas to this forum "young man" (notice how I subordinate you and show my seniority in this field), the self proclaimed kings of the hill around here are way too insecure to allow it. I wouldn't be surprised if right now your computer is being hacked to see what else you know of value. Welcome to the gambling spot. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
How calling him "young man" is subordinating him? He looks very young and I think I could easily be his father.
That's the way I speak, I call people young man, my friend, man, bro, etc. So far, it's never been a problem as there is no offence intended. Never. Personally, I do care about the video. I do care about people as well. Hundreds of people all around the planet could confirm you that. Your acrimony and jealousy are just useless here. I couldn't do his moves in the 70s, I was hardly born. Now, to sum up. The guy posts in the Gambling Spot. His video displays poor skills and is not really gambling related. Your superior intelligence has certainly noted that I criticised his video, not his booklet. I haven't read it, how could I criticise its content? I just implied that, without a solid background, an established experience or someone in the know backing you, I doubt it's possible to bring new theories. As far as I know I offered to review it. I find my proposition fair. I help collectors, Magicians, scholars and historians for ages. I read hundreds of books. I played cards for decades, hundreds of tournaments and private games. I deal with "experts" in Gambling for 20 years. I think I can manipulate cards myself quite a bit. That's one set of reasons why, once in a while, I give my advice in this place, because I think I have some legitimate background. You will never see me posting in a forum talking about taxidermy for instance, I wouldn't feel legitimate to do so. I never called myself the king, the expert, the best, the world class or the second to none. |
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 380 Posts |
So much hysteria about nothing. Especially coming from one big-ego who does foray into the workers forum to run their noses it it. Cool down man.
Cagliostro put it best. P.S. @AMCD, You should drop your stereotypes about Anglo-Saxons. Anyway I doubt your behaviour will make any of your compatriots proud.
Protect me from my friends, I'll deal with my enemies.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
I don't see any hysteria here.
I have no stereotypes about Anglo-Saxons nor about anyone else. I talked about "Anglo-Saxons" here recently because, contrarily to you, I live with them and some cultural aspects are puzzling or funny. The way they advertise themselves for instance (which is related with Magic or pseudo-Gambling, because most items are coming from USA) is particularly epic, and we have a lot of fun talking about that with my Anglo-Saxons friends. I like them, the country where I live and, for your information, most of my friends are Anglo-Saxons. If relating facts is, to you, a stereotype, there's about nothing I can do for you. Now, who are you to call me a big-ego? What are you credentials? |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
My friends,
After deep thinking, I'm afraid this place could turn into a battlefield (again) in no time. It just takes to give a few opinions, some free comments. Slightly politically incorrect? A bit ironical? And it starts over. Again and again. How can attacks about my ego (???) pop out because the post I made? It simply goes over my head... I'm bored of it. I'm fed up to justify every word I write because one feels hurt or doesn't like my style of comments. I've always thought that a public forum was just that: a public place where everyone can give his free advice. I'm simply too old to play that game, and I have much more important things to do than praising everything and everyone because everybody is just fantastic. I apologise to those I may have offended. Rest assured that you won't have to complain about my behaviour anymore. |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2016, The Dowser wrote: Actually, I do care to the point that I have a difficult time resolving the purchase of a book on second deals from a guy who can't really pull of a convincing second deal (or most of the other sleights displayed in the video). Thus the question "who is the author, and from what area of expertise does he draw from in the writing and presentation of this booklet?" I think the author is being given a fair shake in this thread, after all - he did show up trying to sell something, thus obliging him to answer all questions asked, and accept (whether he wants to or not) a critique of the video demo used to hawk his wares. |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On Oct 4, 2016, AMcD wrote: Arnold, you've offended nobody except those who crave being offended on internet forums - indeed they SEEK OUT situations in which they can be offended or pretend to be insulted. In this case, The Dowser (whose posts I otherwise enjoy) has posted a total of FIVE times in 2016, the sixth post being his post in this thread. So he posts out of the blue and resurrects an old personal beef he has with you - ignore him, the five posts he made in 2016 hardly represent The Gambling Spot, and he certainly doesn't represent the opinion of the rest of the folks who post here. Cag is simply offering a point - counterpoint approach to the discussion, and much of what he's saying makes sense. In the end, Joey asked the best question "who is this guy?", a question which remains unanswered. But rest assured, despite the protestations of folks who don't post here any longer, and those who enjoy simply stirring the pot - the video DOES indeed suck, and that suckage does (and should) cause any potential customer to pause before simply accepting that the books author, and the book itself offer anything at all of value. Showing up in this forum with a sales pitch, the core of that pitch being simply "trust me" is a joke, and deserves the overt doubt as to the products quality and value that we see presented in this thread. I will give you this though Arnold, despite what I've written above, the cadre of folks who seem to have made it their mission to derail and ultimately destroy The Gambling Spot (for their own twisted, and unknown reasons) are the ones who need to leave the forum permanently ... not you, and not anybody else who posts regularly offering opinions, answering questions, and pointing out crap when folks come along trying to sell crap - be that crap a product or a piece of incorrect or useless information. There are 40 other forums here where folks can go "rah-rah, everybody's great and every product being offered for sale is a masterpiece of creativity" ... it's refreshing that the Gambling Spot, at the very least, questions products in a manner that doesn't first presume that they're all "great", but rather obliges those who would come here to market their wares to be called to task for their claims, and to answer sometimes difficult questions. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The notion of using binary coded marked cards and dealing seconds in poker games is rather interesting. The book contents above mentions rough and smooth, which is a sort of binary coded marking system. Another similar system to rough and smooth is sorts of light and dark. The fraternity here might recall the story we told of players in a casino here being allowed to play kalooki with the poker cards and sorting them so that we were playing with a deck of two shades when the poker game started. That is not to say they were using seconds or anything else but theoretically the possibilities for poker as opposed to Black Jack are interesting perhaps.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
I think it is a fair request to enquire about my background, since I am evidently not a magician or a performer. I also do not gamble for a living.
I would classify myself as more of a theorist, with an interest in card cheating. My background is in engineering, in which I have a PhD. For those that are interested other work of mine, this is a link to my most recently published article in a peer reviewed journal. I hope this is helpful. TH |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
Two things:
1) I appreciate your reasoned responses to the questions and comments in this thread. 2) I don't personally see how your experience would at all assist in understanding the fine points of cheating at cards (in any form), but do appreciate that you have a background in writing and publishing. Thanks. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Mechanics are essentially engineers.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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JFX Regular user 146 Posts |
Thank you for responding @TH10111.
Are you familiar with the work of Persi Diaconis on the statistics of shuffling cards? Personally, I really enjoyed reading his papers and if your booklet takes the same line of approach, I'd happily check it out aswell. Sorry for being so sceptical but I'm currently a PhD candidate myself, so (as I'm sure you can understand) money is quite scarce. |
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
I think my background should show that I am capable of research, even though my area of expertise maybe in another field. Additionally, engineering relies heavily on maths, which should give some credibility to the mathematical analyses in the work. But I do understand the desire for an author with slightly more practical experience.
As far as a comparison of my work with that of Prof. Diaconis, the work of his that I am familiar with is in academic papers, whereas I have tried to write in a way that is more accessible to those with less of a mathematical background. As such some proofs are not included and explanations tend to be more prose based with examples. However, the ethos of taking a subject and trying to describe it mathematically, whether that be shuffling or the second deal, is certainly maintained. Additionally, I include some other aspects of the subject, such as poker theory, rather than focusing solely on the mathematical expressions that are derived. TH |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
Ed Thorp was a mathematician, not a professional Blackjack player, and penned a book that redefined the game ... so there is that in support of your comment.
Conversely, guys like Forte and Grosjean back up their written material with tens of thousands of hours at the tables, in both straight and advantage situations. They are undeniable authorities on the subject matter before they write about it. Good luck with your book. |
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necro555 Veteran user 335 Posts |
Some good publicity here for the book. I might consider getting it out of curiosity.
All the best with your book, TH10111 |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2016, Artie Fufkin wrote: Interesting point. However, Thorp’s book could be easily understood by layman. I know...I purchase one of the first copies in 1962 and it started me on a very lucrative career in card counting. However, Thorp also backed up his theories with practical playing experience traveling to Reno, Tahoe and Vegas. He took along Mickey MacDougall to protect him from cheating dealers as he traveled through the state and also had Jesse Markum, one of the pre-Thorp card counters to advise and travel with him. So Thorp did corroborate his work with some practical experience. |
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MarcoLostSomething Regular user 144 Posts |
I am interested myself in the maths or theoretical works about advantage or regular play, as I am studying and working in the scientific field it tickles my mind to somehow quantify the randomness.
The category your work is related I think may fit for someone who is interested in gambling as well. Of course it's heavy dependent on the buyer's tastes, as everything. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Marked cards in poker games will normally give one such an advantage that there is no need to use anything else with them. Therefore then, the whole idea of using marked cards with false dealing etcetera in poker games seems silly to me. Black Jack is a different kettle of fish, where using say rough and smooth and second dealing fits the bill.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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SDR Elite user 430 Posts |
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On Oct 2, 2016, AMcD wrote: Out of interest, where would you recommend someone begin on the path to legitimate false deals? I checked your post history but it only goes back 30 days. |
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