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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts 
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On Oct 10, 2016, IAIN wrote: You spelled out the word "dictionary"????? On a PUBLIC FORUM???? For shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts
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@Twisted Mentat Maybe it's your lack of experience that you don't understand why more knowledgable people instant-buy this release. I'd buy this if it was performance only, just to see Cassidy in a bar, in his element.
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false_awakening New user 69 Posts
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On Oct 10, 2016, Axel wrote: These opinions as quoted aren't mutually exclusive. A decent description is eminently preferable to none, but the lack of a description in itself doesn't mean there aren't other good reasons to make a purchase. It may be suggested that buyers are foolish to require a description in light of a particular authorship. It may also be suggested that buyers are foolish to rely on positive sentiment derived from their knowledge and past experience, to the neglect of a description. IMO these suggestions take the matter of opinion too far in one direction or another for what is a personal decision. |
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Twisted Mentat Regular user Giedi Prime 147 Posts
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On Oct 10, 2016, Sean Giles wrote: You call it lack of experience, I call it logic and rational thinking. |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts
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Twisted,
I think you've misunderstood my position. I personally put Cassidy up there with the best. He has earned that for from his work over the years. If I get a chance to see him operating in a close up environment I'm going to take it. I fail to see how that has anything to do with trivialising mentalism. But I understand that other people will want to know which routines are taught etc. I fully understand that point of view. $20/$40 is still a hefty investment for most people. |
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Twisted Mentat Regular user Giedi Prime 147 Posts
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Also. I remember that in the theme about Morgan Stebler product , which received mostly negative reviews, were the same comments. No-brainer. I bought as soon as it saw. And so on. What is missing is "just added to my act" or "this video changed my life".
Your point of view is changing because of the authority or the big name on the label. |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts
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Even if Cassidy was teaching stuff I already know (which is probably the case) I'd still want to watch him do it. Why is that so difficult to understand? I don't care what he is teaching. I'm interested in watching his vocal cadence; his rhythms, his blocking, his psychically. His total performance.
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Twisted Mentat Regular user Giedi Prime 147 Posts
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On Oct 11, 2016, Martin Pulman wrote: I have not seen you put Cassidy up there with the best. I saw you put it in one line with hype products. These products really need comments like "No-brainer". Good products do not need them. They need a clear description and detailed reviews so that all understand how good they are. And your comments I would be regarded as damage to the reputation of the product. At least you dissuaded me from buying this product. And maybe a couple of people who also think and who are tired of such meaningless comments here. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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Gooooooood lord....
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts
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On Oct 11, 2016, Twisted Mentat wrote: Ah, Twisted. you were doing so well. But clearly you are just at it. You didn't see me put Cassidy with the best, eh? My first post-the one you replied to, read: "for me, certain creators have earned the right to be trusted. Cassidy performing close up in a bar and then teaching me all the subtleties? For $20? It's like seeing footage of Dylan with an acoustic back in the Village and then he gives you a private lesson! A no-brainer, I believe is the term." You're serving up such obviously false nonsense here you've clearly missed your calling. You should be a creator of prop less mentalism. |
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Twisted Mentat Regular user Giedi Prime 147 Posts
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On Oct 11, 2016, Martin Pulman wrote: This is not a review. This is a common hype comment. |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts
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Ok, Twisted. We've taken up enough of this thread now, don't you think. Let's let people review the download.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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On Oct 11, 2016, Twisted Mentat wrote: i don't see it as hype, its someone's opinion on a performer that they identify with/admire a great deal... just like I bought every single Riggs book after I read the messiah process...
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SvenSigma Regular user Germany 151 Posts
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Impromptu Dictionary plus the thoughts on presentation and the discussion of three types of decks from 1:06:00 on are enough value for money for me (at 20$, maybe would not be for 40$).
I'd say this is decent but not outstanding beginner level mentalism. Although I am not a mentalism expert at all, none of the effects or methods surprised me. In a way, Penguin hint at it with the marketing blurb: "This will be a treasure chest for anyone willing to take the time to learn, practice and perform." With 20/20 hindsight, I must confess this sentence would not fit material for experienced (mentalism) amateurs or professionals. They know that they have to learn and practice. I think the list below might be interesting for some who have not yet made up their minds. Some abbrevations because this is an open forum, and hopefully it is enough to decide whether you want to buy but not enough to spoil anything. ~00:00 White Dwarf: Spectator billet with image/word in double envelope. One spectator or random unknown choice of five or six specs. Good presentation ideas. ~17:00 Impromptu Dictionary: As the name says, an impromptu word test with any dictionary. Simple but fooling, especially with the presentation given. ~23:00 Billet Case: Nice and easy take on an Imp.Dvc. ~30:50 5 Card Miracle (Prediction): Re-do and DIY of a commercial trick from the 50s or 60s (from Tannen's). ESP card prediction. A nice quicky that Bob used as intro piece for years. ~39:30 Find the D. G.: 1 out of 5 (or 6 or 7) closed envelope choice by volunteer. Inspired by HL. Can be made suitable to bizarre or lighter setting. ~56:40 D. N. S.: Name spelling effect with playing cards. Not by Bob Cassidy. Practically self-working (conditions apply  ).
~1:06:00 P...tic Deck: The effect and method are fairly standard, but very interesting discussion of presentation. DIY. ~1:28:10 P...thic Deck: Including a bold ACAAN for two spectators with handling of cards by spectator. Don't ask me why, but I think ACAAN has not a clean mentalism touch. So this is more mental magic than mentalism in my opinion - for people who care about that distinction. ~1:38:15 BW Deck: Discussion of BW versus Inv. Deck. If you count the items: this is 9, not 7. Final thoughts: I think anyone having a Bob Cassidy collection might want it anyhow.
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1879 Posts
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Bob is in fine form with clear and thorough explanations in this download.
But word of warning: For those who were waxing about seeing him perform in a bar environment (or at all) it just doesn't happen. Performances are "explained" only. Beginner level Mentalism? I hardly think so. I can't see why any Mentalist or performer couldn't use these quite successfully to great effect in any paid performance with similar conditions. The material presented is neither difficult to perform or complex in method, though it is very smart. All in all, a great package from Mr. Cassidy. I can't see anybody not finding value in this. |
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Tony Dixon New user 70 Posts
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On Oct 11, 2016, Sudo Nimh wrote: It's a bit of a shame that the performances aren't also included, however it does mean it sticks to the format of the rest of the killers videos (I don't remember performances in slate or billet, but I could be mistaken, more so for those who bought it just for that reason. However it does mean that people need to figure out their own patter and presentation and aren't overly influenced by Bobs. |
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davidzajac1991 New user sunny south florida 17 Posts
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Dear Café,
I love this video product! My favorite technique so far is dead name speller. I'm also working on a trick with a theme of psychic detectives that uses Bobs living and dead test. As I stated in another post, I think that Bob is one of the best performers and I really don't buy a lot of new stuff. Mostly stuff that bob recommends. Watching the DVD I found it fun that he could condense his stage material into his pockets. Very practical and brilliant thinking! Sincerely, David |
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snm Special user 552 Posts
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No live performances?! Looks like I'll pass then. I was hoping to see the legend in action.
PS - Bit of a misleading demo video then isn't it? |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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There are performances in a bar...not for all, but some...
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davidzajac1991 New user sunny south florida 17 Posts
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On Oct 11, 2016, snm wrote: Yes. But you gain insight into exclusive Bob Cassidy material. If you want to see him perform you can always look him up on YouTube. Also, What more could you really want because all you need to be the best performer you can be is to watch yourself. I personally wouldn't care if this material were released as a book format because all the more power to him he can actually teach you something different with this material made for closeup performance and fun. The |
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