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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
These days I'll google/youtube effects and unless I have an alternative handling to eliminate the exposed methods I tend to shy away from using those effects which are very easy to find, so out of interest with all the exposure that we have to put up with these days how many magicians google proof there magic so to speak ?
An example would be CMH I used to love this effect and used it as an opener for years when I used to perform magic many moons ago, having reacquired the magic bug I find this is the first thing that comes up if you were to put this in google / youtube etc from just a very basic description which makes this effect along with many others that I used to perform redundant. Don't get me wrong in this day and age if people really want to find out how something is done it's not difficult however I would rather it not be the first thing that comes up from the most basic of descriptions. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Seems like a lot of trouble to fix something that can be fixed with presentation.
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Not really I've performed CMH for well over 20 years including at many paid events so there's nothing wrong with my presentation it's not performed in a hey look at me way or anything like that.
I was doing a delivery at work and some how the conversation turned to magic so I offered to show this person soemthing quick and performed CMH which he really enjoyed so much so that when I saw him the following week he said " hey I found out how you did that trick with the elastic bands you showed me on youtube " I then went on to show him a coin trick that I had altered from its usual handling so I knew he wouldn't be able to find it via youtube and funny enough he didn't |
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Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse Inner circle 1513 Posts |
I don't shy away from tricks I find on the tube but do check and see if they are there. There are many effects that are classics but not on there. Or you can't find them without using there proper name. I still use cmh
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
I still perform magic with elastic bands but not CMH and if I were to use it I would use the following sort of presentation people often ask me what's the difference between a trick and a miracle then use CMH as the trick part of the demonstration 😊 but definitely won't be performing it as a solo effect.
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
I always do CMH even though I know they will find at least 3 crappy versions on YouTube simply by typing linking rubber band as a search (they don't even need the name). The difference is, I do so much more that the standard routine that they get totally lost at the basic effect. Also, a lot of what I do beyond CMH will not be found since I call them really "off" names (if at all) and blend so many different effects one right into another (almost non stop) like it is one long routine.
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Avocat Elite user 446 Posts |
CMH is a great "worker," but hardly a the type of trick I'd consider a tragedy were someone to Google it afterwards. Heck it's a bit flattering that they care that much, except in all honesty it's the trick, more than the magician, that captured their imaginations.
On the other hand, the basic floating bill is easy to Google; that one stings! Now both tricks have this in common: they're easily Googled, whatever title you give them. "Linking rubber bands" or "floating dollar bill," each is an easily guessed title, or rather each is literally composed of easily gleaned search terms. In my case, I've personally gotten around this with the floating bill by using a post-it note, and referring to it as the "sticky post-it trick" so, hopefully. that will be the title that sticks in their heads. I also use Ammar's handling, where the paper "floats" for only an instant (more than that, and they start to figure it out, even without Google). So that might be another workaround. |
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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
If you lean more towards multi faceted tricks (like the ambitious card or a sponge ball routine), the chances of a layman following the moves it on YouTube is much less. My problem is that between my wallet, my phone, my glasses, my handkerchief and my keys, there isn't any room left in my pockets.
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Both the wallet and phone are great places for a chosen card to appear, pop Keymaster and ignition on your keyring, swap your handkerchief for a quality ring vanish handkerchief then learn mark leveridges ring on glasses and your all set 😊
Thanks for the replies and Avocat your quite right sometimes just swapping the prop ie in your case the post it note for the bill can be a great solution along with the multi phase routines mentioned by jakeg. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
There is no question that the internet has harmed magic overall.
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
I totally agree.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Not at all.
Danny Doyle
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
If you don't think that YouTube or the Internet has effected magic at all you must have the kindest audience's in the world 😊 as years ago I never ever had someone say I know how that's done in saw it on YouTube.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I haven't changed anything I perform because of the internet.
I don't call tricks by name, but I don't care if anyone looks things up afterwards. The only shameful thing is that most people posting solutions on the internet have no real sense of what's important and just focus on the only thing they know... the method. This results in a very poor poor explanation; ignoring the actual thought that needs to be put into a trick. But magic DVDs often suffer from the same thing, "trivializing" what's necessary just to make the material seem more attainable. We need look no further than: "Easy to do, No skill required".
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
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On Nov 13, 2016, TheAmbitiousCard wrote: Good post thanks for your input 😊 |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Nov 13, 2016, warren wrote: Funny it is the point I was making. Now suddenly you agree. The people who hire me spend about zero time on YouTube looking for how a card trick is done. Maybe the solution is, and I am just spit balling mind you, to do more of your own things and less shop bought Googleable stuff.
Danny Doyle
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
I do if you read my initial post I tend to alter most of the effects that I perform, performing at a gig rather than for mates etc is different than performing for people that your not likely to meet again so how would you know...if you perform for enough people surely you'll get at least one person interested enough to try and find a solution especially something as easily found as CMH and if you think not then your very naive.
I presume you invent all your own effects and wouldn't lower yourself to perform coins across,3 Fly, Dr Daleys and card to wallet or under glass etc ? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Your right. The problem can't possibly be you need to put in some work. Oh no the problem has to be something else.
Do people go home after a show and Google things? I have no idea. Does it matter in oneway or the other? My sense is no. No I do not do 3 Fly, but do coins across and I bet it is far different than one may find exposed on You Tube. See by my very nature I am forced to used methods which are vastly different from the norm. I am left handed and have a hand the approximate size of Rhode Island. None of the original handling works for me. Do even if something is exposed, it is painfully obvious that is not what I am doing. But overall Heba Haba used to tell me that if they are going home and looking for a method or thinking of a method you probably didn't engage them enough. I know this can't possibly be the issue. I am just relaying a conversion from 30 years ago. But then again I am very naive. What could I possibly have to offer?
Danny Doyle
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Danny your missing the whole point of the thread, I was simply asking in this day and age what with all the exposure on youtube etc do magicians out there try and google proof their magic.
You then presumed it must be down to my lack of skill where as I've been performing magic at a reasonable level for well over 20 years and have done more than my fare share of corporate gigs etc in the past and name dropping doesn't mean that your automatically correct 😊 Then when someone says they think that youtube has done more harm than good you say that you disagree then in the next breath state that your left handed and therefore do everything differently which would indeed mean that you alter the handling's thus actually agreeing with what was said in the first place. I liked the other post because it wasn't belittling and it was informative to others that might read this thread as for me personally I rarely us gaffs so obviously when someone says don't just perform self workers and use things that require some skill I'm going to agree especially when he mentions how poor the tutorials are. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I don't agree with a single thing you said. If after 20 years you are worried about someone finding a solution to your trick they is your own issue. Do you really think anyone believes it is magic? Now that is naive.
Google proofing is running when nobody is chasing you. Then again it is a favirite pastime of magicians, along with jumping to conclusions. Seems to be the only exercise most get.
Danny Doyle
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