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Marius Norway 0 Posts |
Hi! I'm Norwegian and we got no magic shops here where I live. I would love if anyone could help me learn magic.
Best regards Marius |
supertoad12 New user Choose a number between 1 and 88 Posts |
Good day Marius and welcome on this fantastic site.
What kind of magic do you like? Their is a variety of books that might help you learn depending on your interests. The Tarbell course in magic might be a good start if you want to develop a good overall knowledge and you can just order it online. Good luck
Steph
"The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it"...J.M. Barrie |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Hello Marius!, and, welcome to our "motley" crew`! My paternal grandfather came from Sweden, and married a Norwegian "flicka" over here. They were busy learning English, and farming, so, they didn't help me learn either Swedish, or Norwegian!
It would help if "we" knew a little more about you! Age? Education? ETC.! AT (almost) 85, I've been performing for $$$ since I was almost 14. I was a full time professional since the mid '60s. (Retired in 2008). I had access to Tarbell's course when I was in high school in the '40s. Later I bought the complete set of books. They are the "center" of my library! Much of my show, with which I made a living for 50 years, came from Tarbell. The course now sells for about $120. It's an INVESTMENT that will pay dividends! The original edition was a "correspondence school course" that Tarbell wrote, and, sold in 1929. Tarbell was a "lecture style" performer (very successful). It has been revised and for the last 60 years, it has been available in 6 volumes. A seventh volume was published in '72, written by Harry Lorrayne. The ORIGINAL course is now available in pdf, FREE. (At my age, I'm lucky to run this computer! You'll have to ask someone more qualified than I, to learn how the pdf "works"!) Tarbell wrote in "1929 style"! His presentation was "1929" style"! (so, it's a bit "outdated") BUT, you will learn the PRINCIPLES!!!) You will learn how a "million" tricks are done. But the PRINCIPLES are "what's important! S.H. Sharpe put it well, when he wrote: "Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks, are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." At this point, don't worry about not having a magic shop readily available! You must understand that you cannot buy TRICKS! TRICKS, like music, only exist while they are being performed! You can buy (or make) PROPS. You can buy, or learn from books like Tarbell, SECRETS. Using the PROPS, and/or SECRETS, you can PERFORM TRICK(S). If you PERFORM the TRICKS, well, with a good PRESENTATION, you will probably ENTERTAIN people. MAGIC IS NOT INHERENTLY ENTERTAINING! THE MAGICIAN'S "JOB" IS TO MAKE MAGIC ENTERTAINING WITH HIS PRESENTATION! Here are the three "rules" for learning to "do" a TRICK::::::::::: 1. Learn how the TRICK is DONE. 2. Learn how to DO the TRICK. 3. Learn how to DO the TRICK, SO THAT IT E N T E R T A I N S AN AUDIENCE! (THAT, is the "challenge"!) That's enough for one day. Remember! Neither I nor anyone else can TEACH you anything. All we can do is, HELP YOU LEARN! Don't let anyone "tell" you what tricks to do! The tendency is to advise you to do a trick, or tricks, that the adviser likes or does. That's like wearing someone else's clothes. (They probably won't fit!) Dick
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Welcome Marius,
What got you interested in becoming a Magician? Knowing your inspiration will help you find direction. -Mary Mowder |
Marius Norway 0 Posts |
Fantastic to hear the responses I got here. My interest in magic comes from watching card magicians on TV and watching magicians on Youtube. As I forgot to mention in the beginning I'm 23 years old and got a bachelor degree in economics and leadership. My interest is foremost card magic, but anything I can get my hands on I'm interested in
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supertoad12 New user Choose a number between 1 and 88 Posts |
Royal Road to Card Magic and/or Card College might be a good start if you like reading. You should be able to order them online.
Steph
"The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it"...J.M. Barrie |
Marius Norway 0 Posts |
Royal road to card magic is great, but I'm looking for something with not only cards. I'm interested in cardistry and flourishes that can help me when I get stuck or something. I found a website with issues of a magic magasine. They look pretty good, tarbell were also there. I want to learn the most I can, but I'm having difficulties figuring out what I need the most and where to begin.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Ja! It's somewhat like being the little kid in a candy store with a dollar to spend! (When I was that little kid, it was a nickel to spend!!!)
I'm sure that being "new" is a real "challenge"! The old Latin proverb may help: "Festina lente!" (Make haste, slowly!) At 23, you have MANY years ahead. You have a good education! I would suggest that you use the economics education to guide your spending. Are you currently employed with a steady income? If so, and, you are single, you probably have a bit of disposable income. So! Budget! Your money will go much further, if you invest it in BOOKS, and, I would suggest that, if you are really serious about learning magic, you start with Tarbell. Tarbell starts out slowly (festina lente!) but, remember that even though you are impatient to progress, time is on your side. Tarbell is an INVESTMENT that will PAY DIVIDENDS! Many of the tricks being advertised in current magazines and on the internet, can be traced to principles in Tarbell! You might think that I get a commission on every Tarbell book sold!! I don't! Tarbell's first chapters cover the history of recorded magic. Then he starts with basic sleight of hand skills, and slowly explains very basic coin sleights, and palming techniques. It's not necessary to learn each sleight before you start on the next one. Just begin, and "bookmark" those that intrigue you. I have gotten along for 70+ years with a classic palm, thumb palm, and finger palm. (My BIG trick, that I close with for elementary school kids is the Misers Dream. I use FIVE SILVER DOLLARS, and a "tin can"! In the course, Tarbell eventually discusses tricks with rope, handkerchiefs, cards, "billiard" balls, ETC. MOST of the tricks use material that you can make, or have made, at home. I KNEW Doc Tarbell! I saw him perform, and, my show for the past 70 years, includes "stuff" that I learned in Doc Tarbell's books! The magic Café gives you the opportunity to "window shop" without spending any money! I suggest that you 'wander around the Café, visiting all of the tables. The only "dumb" question, is the one you didn't ask! Just be cautious! Many in the Café are just as "green" as you are, but, they will often offer advice, but, being new, will innocently lead you astray.
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
If you want to branch out from Cards, I'd suggest Ropes or Ring and Rope.
I avoided both for years because my dyslexia made them really confusing but once I got into them I've found both very flexible as far as performance situations. Professors Nightmare is a good first project.. It is nice to have some non-card options. Some people just don't connect with cards and some have religious issues. Flip, Aldo Colombini, Daryl and Dennis Loomis all have excellent material. If you learn one trick at a time, soon you will have more than you need (but not more than you'll want, rope is addictive). -Mary Mowder |
Doug Trouten Elite user Minnesota 471 Posts |
Marius, you might consider a book that provides a broad introduction to magic. The Tarbell series has already been mentioned. Harry Lorayne's "The Magic Book" is also a good introductory text, as is Mark Wilson's "Complete Course in Magic."
It's still magic even if you know how it's done.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I knew Walter Gibson, who "ghost wrote" the Mark Wilson "CCIM". Wilson, I've met, but don't really KNOW him. I KNOW very well, Bev Bergeron, who was REBO the clown on the Magic Circus show with Mark, years ago.
The CCIM is very well written, and illustrated. It covers magic with cards, sponge balls, rope, silks, money (bank notes)mental, "billiard balls", cups & balls, ETC. It was written, as Tarbell was, for the complete beginner. Walter didn't cover the psychology much, nor did he talk much about showmanship, etc. The reason that I favor the Tarbell "magnum opus" is that Tarbell does. You see, "magic" (I'm exaggerating the "mathematics") is 5% sensory illusion, 5% esoteric principles of science, 5% sleight of hand skills, and EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT P S Y C H O L O G Y. A beginner needs to understand that! I've met Harry Lorayne. He is an excellent writer, and, magician (especially cards). (He wrote the Seventh Volume of the Tarbell Course after Doc Tarbell died.) Harry has written many books. They are all excellent. Mary Mowder is a good friend of many years! She has a "quick mind", besides being exceptionally skillful with "small props". She is very popular in the area of California where she lives. However, IMHO, you need to get a good introduction to the fundamentals first. You'll have plenty of opportunities to "specialize" later! I don't want to sound like I'm dictating. I have mentored over a dozen young men in the past 50 years. About half of them are now successful professional performers, The others are avid amateurs or part time pro's. I worked with Bob McAllister when he was in high school. He went on to star in the WONDERAMA TV CHILDREN'S PROGRAM IN NEW YORK and later in "KIDS ARE PEOPLE, TOO!". I had the privilege of working with Doug Henning when he was in his late teens. He later starred in "THE MAGIC SHOW" & "MERLIN" IN NEW YORK, PLUS A NUMBER OF NATIONAL TV SPECIALS. I was able to help Al Ulman, Jeff Bibik, Jeff Helding, Jody Baran, et al. book season tours doing school assemblies. They were successful. I'm currently mentoring a young high school lad who lives a thousand miles away, and, I'm 85 next month. I can't take on any more! As a fellow Norwegian, I'm hoping to help you get started. I don't know anyone in Norge, to whom I could refer you.
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Perero New user Skellefteå/Sweden 51 Posts |
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On Nov 14, 2016, Marius wrote: I have been teaching magic for a lot of people and found that its hard to have all of them stay to finnish the courses, that becouse they think is a little bit booring trying to memorize the whole routine, not only the trick it self that they have to repeat everytime we meet up. if we begin with 20 people after 3-4 meetings there are maybe 10 left, and 6-7 meetings later the really intrested are left. THEY are the people who still contact me now and then with questions and advice or just want to show me someting new they learn. So the story is...maybe 1-3 stay and are really intrested, and that's good. if its okey I really would suggest reading books, and look at youtube...but with open minds and remember a lot of tricks on youtube is 'cameratricks', not really usefull for performing for a live audience.
No the only Magician in Sweden, but the wurst
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Marius Norway 0 Posts |
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On Nov 24, 2016, Perero wrote: Thanks for the response, books are bo problem. It's just difficult to learn the tricks without performing them, usually I perform for my family first then others. I really love magic, but its quite hard to read english books as an norwegian native and requires consentration. that's why its taking longer and I really doesn't always get the "grips" or moves right all the time. I don't know if I got too small hands or its just pratice that is needed? Best regards Marius |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Marius! Perero has told you the truth! He starts with "20" and, after 5 or 6 "meetings", only 5 are left. I would guess that the other 15 found out that study, practice, and WORK, are necessary!
YOU TUBE...As Perero tells you, there are a few old professionals who have put some of their performances on YOU TUBE, (The late JAY MARSHALL is one.) MOST of the "magicians" (NOTE THE " "!!!) whom you will see on YOO TOOB, are hack hobbyists who are nowhere good enough to get booked as MAGICIANS. They want to "show off", and "be on TV"!!!, OR, they are hoping to SELL YOU SOMETHING. They DEMONSTRATE tricks. They aren't able to PERFORM magic. I quoted S. H. SHARPE, above. Go back and read my earlier posts again. I'm not SELLING you anything. I'm just trying to help you to LEARN. THERE "AINT" NO EASY WAY TO LEARN. SOPHOCLES, ancient Greek philosopher, said it several thousand years ago: "ONE LEARNS BY DOING THE THING." If you really desire to learn magic, and become a performer (whether amateur or professional) YOU MUST S T U D Y the F U N D A M E N T A L S! Read what the SUCCESSFUL old timers have written. "A little learning is a dangerous thing. Drink deep or taste not the Pyrhean Spring. There, shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, And, drinking largely, sobers us again." --Alexander Pope "Those who give themselves to ready practice before they have learned the theory, resemble sailors who go to sea in a ship without a rudder." --Leonardo Da Vinci "I must insist that tricks are but tools. This eagerness to add new tools to the workshop, at the expense of learning how to use the tools we already possess, definitely results n overcrowded workshops, but unskilled artisans." --Dariel Fitzkee According to a "member" named "donny", here in the Café, I'm just a "has been". Well, that's better, perhaps, than being a "never was"! I just wrote a 400 page book, that is selling in four continents. I traveled the USA for fifty years, coast to coast and border to border, performing MAGIC. I've lectured for magic clubs all over North America, including national conventions and, even twice at the Magic Castle. I think that I've paid my dues! I'm 85 in a few weeks. I'm BUSY, mentoring a young lad of almost 16, who listens, studies, practices, and asks intelligent questions. I think that he will "make it". Ave atque vale!
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Perero New user Skellefteå/Sweden 51 Posts |
Dick Oslund's word abou the fundamentals is very importent, almost every closeup magic is build on the fundamentals, and when you master the fundamentals its so much easier to learn 'new' tricks, and a lot easier to se how they perform tricks you never seen before...becouse it's based on the fundamental 'rules' in magic.
i would be happy to send you a copy of my book "wow it's almost magic" in swedish to you, a little easier to read, I really think you gonna have a lot of use of the book. (there is som basic tricks to learn but that's not the point with the book) My advice is to keep practice every opportunity you get, but try not to be the guy who do tricks for everyone all the time.
No the only Magician in Sweden, but the wurst
https://perero.wixsite.com/perero |
Marius Norway 0 Posts |
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On Nov 25, 2016, Perero wrote: Would love a copy, and I will practice alot. that's is why I take my time to be involved here and read all my responses. |
Perero New user Skellefteå/Sweden 51 Posts |
Maurus, send me you mail adress and I send a copy, my e-mail is per-hakan.soderstrom@perero.com
and please let me know what you think about the book...
No the only Magician in Sweden, but the wurst
https://perero.wixsite.com/perero |
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