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Yes, both are dead, but only one realises this.

Yes, the guy who's not aware of his condition, is reliving the bar scene over and over - whether he is slowly coming to awareness is debatable.

Yes, the friend who realises he's dead is trying to help his old friend realise his condition - i.e. that both of them are dead, and that the unaware guy is stuck in a fond memory, looping over and over. You may want to think about what the aware friend is doing to help his friend come to awareness...

Abc, both of them are in human form. For the 'unaware' guy, the evening just seems to play once - he is unaware of the situation looping. The 'aware' guy, however, remembers that the pair of them have sat in this post mortem bar many, many times.

Roy, both men did not die at the same time - this is kind of irrelevant, though actually, the 'aware' guy died first.
Neither of them come back to life.
They're not co-joined twins - but what a staggering idea for a story!
Both friends are dead throughout the story.
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Is the aware guy trying to do things such as, predicting occurances that will unfold throughout the night within the bar, as a way to show the unaware guy that they have been there before, and that he is dead?
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you drown by staying there.



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Do they have to do some task to finally die? Like if they will not solve that task, they are doomed to live as ghosts and be stuck in the same day over and over?

And, will the unaware also be stuck in that day? (Did he die "today"?)
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Does the unaware guy eventually realize that he is dead?
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Danny,

The aware guy is not making predictions as such, but you're on the right track...

Alekz,

They don't have a task to do - the aware guy is free to leave anytime he wants. He stays and does what he's doing simply to help his friend. As for the unaware guy, he will be stuck in this memory-loop ad infinitum unless his friend can steer him towards awareness. The unaware guy died more recently than his friend, but a few years ago, rather than hours or days.

Zombieboy,

In the story I have in front of me, I didn't project that far; let's hope that one day, the unaware guy realises his condition.

I suppose the main thing to think about (Danny Diamond was pretty close) is what is the aware guy DOING to help his friend?
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Caleb, Does the guy who realizes he is dead ever explain to the other guy that the things that are happening to them could not be possible unless they were both actually dead? Roy McIlwee, Scranton, Penna.
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Roy,

No, the aware guy cannot directly tell his friend - this is something that his friend must come to understand himself. However, that's not to say that the 'aware' guy is doing nothing...
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Is the aware trying to make the unaware realize he is dead through verbal or physical means? Does his method of conveying the message have to do with other people in the bar?
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Did the aware guy organize the meeting with the intention of "enlightening" the unaware?

Have to go to school now.. no.. just.. five more minutes.. no.. AAH!
Man, this one is addicting Smile
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The aware guy, is trying to enlighten his friend and has been for years, therefore is what he's doing unique to this occasion, or is he trying something different every time and it is this particular time that were trying to figure out?

Is he shouting "Your dead!"

Is he floating his beer.

Is what he's doing the reason teh guy remembers this day over and over in the first place?

This is weird
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Is the aware trying to make the unaware realize he is dead through verbal or physical means? Verbal.

Does his method of conveying the message have to do with other people in the bar? No.

Did the aware guy organize the meeting with the intention of "enlightening" the unaware? No. This is the unaware guy's memory-loop - the aware guy has projected himself into the memory so as to communicate with his friend.

Is what he's doing unique to this occasion? No. The aware guy takes the same approach every time.

Is he shouting "Your dead!" LOL. No. That wouldn't work.

Is he floating his beer. No.

Is what he's doing the reason teh guy remembers this day over and over in the first place? No. Kind of the opposite to this. The reason the aware guy does what he does is because of what the unaware guy remembers.
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Caleb, When the unaware becomes aware of his death, is it due to something that the aware tells him and if it is, is that something they had discussed prior to both of their deaths?
Is there a murder in this story.
Is there a riddle or puzzle of some kind that is trying to be solved here?
Is there some sort of language barrier here?
Are both guys located near to each other?
Thank you, Roy McIlwee, scranton, Penna.
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When the unaware becomes aware of his death, is it due to something that the aware tells him..? The unaware one doesn't, to the best of my knowledge, become 'aware' in this story. But if he did, his friend's prompting would have nudged him along the way.

...is that something they had discussed prior to both of their deaths? What the pair of them do/talk about IS an experience that they used to share prior to death. The unaware guy is trapped in his fond memory of this regular occurence, perhaps (though this is a moot point) because he was happiest there in life. As for the aware guy, what he does is tailored precisely to the situation.

Is there a murder in this story? No.

Is there a riddle or puzzle of some kind that is trying to be solved here? Oh YES!

Is there some sort of language barrier here? Not as such.

Are both guys located near to each other? Yes. Sitting next to each other, by the bar.
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Is there aware guy answering his friends questions before he asks them?
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Is the 2 guys die because of the same reason? They're not die at the same time right?
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Are there questions and answers being exchanged between these two guys?
Are any photographs or doctrines of any kind being displayed to the men?
Is this bar located in heaven or any other possible post mortem locale?
Is the guy who knows he is dead trying to convince the other guy that he too is dead and is he trying to convince him by having him solve some sort of puzzle that if solved, he would be convinced that he was dead?
Does the guy who is unaware that he is dead ever find out that he is dead? Does he find out that he is dead by something that his buddy has given to him or has told him?
Is the guy that is aware that he is dead trying to prove to the guy that is unaware that he is dead that he would come back to the bar someday and prove the unaware guys death to him? Thank you, Roy McIlwee.
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Is one of them the grim reaper?
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Can you tell me where you got the story from ?
(i was purely wondering)
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Is there aware guy answering his friends questions before he asks them? No. He answers each question once it has been asked.

Is the 2 guys die because of the same reason? They're not die at the same time right? No to both of these, but they're not particularly relevant.

Are there questions and answers being exchanged between these two guys? Yes. The unaware guy asks questions; the aware guy answers them.

Are any photographs or doctrines of any kind being displayed to the men? No.

Is this bar located in heaven or any other possible post mortem locale? The bar is (probably) in the mind of the unaware guy. What happens else happens after death, I wouldn't like to say Smile. Maybe it's some kind of limbo or waystation.

Is the guy who knows he is dead trying to convince the other guy that he too is dead..? Yes.
...and is he trying to convince him by having him solve some sort of puzzle..? Yes!
...that if solved, he would be convinced that he was dead? Well, even if the unaware guy solved the puzzle, he wouldn't necessarily realise he's dead - but it's his best chance, at the moment.

Does the guy who is unaware that he is dead ever find out that he is dead? Not in this playing of the memory-loop. Maybe one day he'll realise his condition.

Does he find out that he is dead by something that his buddy has given to him or has told him? He would find out through mainly verbal means.

Is the guy that is aware that he is dead trying to prove to the guy that is unaware that he is dead that he would come back to the bar someday and prove the unaware guys death to him? Not as such, but the aware guy's method and prompting is precisely tailored to the situation (the bar, what they're doing etc.).

Is one of them the grim reaper? No. A couple of ordinary dead humans.

Can you tell me where you got the story from ?
Ollie 1235, I'd be delighted: this story is one of 'mine', though it follows an old pattern.

We're getting very close now, I feel. Just one significant detail remains.
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Is the answer to this riddle in the next thread??
"They say time is money...i say time is precious"
"They say the whole is much more than the sum of its Parts...Thats why a man is much more than the sum of his Past!"
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