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I think if a spectator writes something down on THEIR piece of paper with THEIR pen or pencil and they don't give it to you, you won't be able to peek the information.

Some methods allow this. These methods do not look suspiciously like magic with your phone. Still do not believe that the magical applications useful in mentalism. I think that for the spectator it is the simplest explanation. How did he reads minds? He simply uses a clever electronics.

Will you please demonstrate a method that allows that.

If I use MY pen and paper to write any word, and I don't give you the paper (or the surface it rests on), please demonstrate a method of peeking my word.

Like any other product in mentalism, apps are TOOLS. A good performer will find ways of using the spectator's phone not only motivated but invisible.

EVERY time I've performed my dictionary effect, everyone thinks I memorized the dictionary (no one has ever thought I was using an app):

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***cil ****ing what comes to mind in first or some of the propless routines that uses wide range of menthods, like some of Peter Turner releases.
Yeah apps are tools. Red magic change bag with wooden handle - also a tool. But I would not use it in my performance.
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Thank you very much Raum for your time and Input.

I don't know what ***cil ****ing means but perhaps you can PM me.

all the best,
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I think we do not understand each other because of different performance styles.
I can not imagine that I put this app in my act. Paper, pencils, pens, notepads, envelopes, books, a variety of vintage and mysterious things, and suddenly a smartphone?
Even if I will have close up gig, I prefer billets instead apps. DD using billets is much faster than DD using app.
And billets can not be broken and they do not need the Internet or a charged battery.
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Thank you again Raum for your insight and opinion.

Your opinion is very important to me.
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I have now taken a closer look at Greg's Inject. I am going to say that I WAS WRONG.

As a technologist, I can't believe I missed the obvious. Here is an analogy. We think nothing of using related methods handling cards and billets for example . Mentalists and magicians use different presentational contexts hence the audience experience differs even though the methods are similar. The same is true of using app technology in general. What we have here is a new way of achieving current effects. It is not a magic vs mentalism argument. As Greg has said several times, the app is not visible.

I think most of the objections here are new version of performer guilt, which is not surprising since we all do that to some degree, including myself. I have been looking for ways to integrate the availability id smartphones in an audience to stage performances. I think Greg has opened my eyes to a very real possibility and I thank him here and now for that insight!
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Thank you jstreiff for being open minded and taking the time to investigate these new tools in our craft.

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I'm still of the opinion that most people walking away thinking "cool app." It's the shortest distance between two points and the most logical. I always want to ensure that the performance is about me and not the props.

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Hi Jeff,

Thank you for your input.

I totally understand the hesitation to try something new ...

I remember the first time someone sold me a thumb tip, I immediately wanted to return it because I didn't think I could fool anyone with it.
As much as the magic shop owner assured me, "you'll never get caught" I didn't believe him.

Thank goodness I decided to keep the thumb tip.
After some practice and MANY successful performances, I realized the magic shop owner was RIGHT!

For the last 6 years (ever since I released iPredict+) I've performed my apps thousands of times.

At the end of many of those performances, I've asked people to guess the method and every single time the guessed method was NOT an app.
That's because my phone was not used in the performance.

Here's a performance of iPredict ... at the end of the video, notice how the spectator deduces that the method is "really good cameras":



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Greg,

I'm hardly hesitant to try something new. The issue for me is that most people I know are tech savvy and are aware of magic phone apps. Using a phone offers a possible solution that negates any unseen skill or technique I might have. The easiest solution is the phone did it. I want people to think that I'm the magic and not the phone or other prop. The difference, among many, is that a TT is hidden and people do not know it's there. A phone is openly used. We will have to agree to disagree. If I do wish you many sales.

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Thank you Jeff for your good wishes.

I don't see how showing a phone number on your contact list would signal "your phone did the magic" ... but to each his own.

In this day and age, how else would I look up a phone number? A day planner?

Greg

P.S. I perform a version of iPredict where my phone is never seen ... I just tell them the phone number from the start.
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It's a case of magicians keeping up with the times
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It's a case of magicians keeping up with the times


Hardly a case of keeping up with the times. The modern "phone" has all sorts of capabilities that are in themselves magical. People know and understand the amazing capabilities of the modern iPhone. When one performs a trick and it involves a phone then the logical thinking is that the phone played a part. It recorded me, it used an app and the like. When I use another item that appears more innocent and that has less technological capability then people will miss what's in plain sight. There's no logical disconnect and no way to apply the Theory of False Explanations (Tamariz). It just you and the phone and I didn't see you do anything and so I'm left with the phone. The assumption that I'm not keeping up with the times doesn't enter into it. I do employ a couple of electronic products in my work but they have no importance. In fact I often get the spectator returning them to me as I've left them with them.

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I've emailed greg and tried to contact him through through the contact form on the page and I just want to know any of them will be updated.
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For me, the arrival would be when the apps or devices are no longer part of the trick. Thinking out loud a bit... maybe a app that allows your hidden assistant to cause the phone in your pocket to vibrate signaling... whatever. or maybe a programmable reel with WiFi control? Those kinds of things. I dunno, to me all the "trick apps" seem more like marketing apps. Meaning that lots go into getting magicians to want to buy it, but not so much in function. I remember have a few apps that just stopped working, over time. This tells me they were probably made on the cheap with interpreters and not native. The interpreter framework goes out of date and it becomes difficult to maintain.

I guess as a dev myself I should just get on this Smile
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Which app does Copperfield use? It's been years since I've seen his live show.
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I've never used a magic app before.
I've used iCurveball, and nobody (to my knowledge) has ever thought "must be a phone app...phones these days can do marvelous things."

Despite my infinitely limited experience with magic apps, I don't think "They'll think it's a phone app" is an argument against apps. It's an argument against the performer.

Same as "But if you could really read minds, you wouldn't need me to write down anything." That thought occurs to us only because WE know how necessary it is to have a thought written. Same as the idea that "boob jobs are bad because they look fake." That's only because you notice only the bad boob jobs, and you fail to notice the good boob jobs.

If your focus is on the phone app, and you haven't dressed it up with showmanship, then, like with any prop--visible or invisible--their attention may go to the phone.

A great performer can, using only a one-way forcing deck, convince a group of sophisticated people that he knows what their thinking (Devil's Picturebook). Derren might have said, "I won't use playing cards because people know what playing cards are capable of." But he went with it, and people believed in him, because he put 99% of his focus into his presentation.
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