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Joker 808 New user 35 Posts |
Seeing as I'm new to magic and I want to take it seriously, how much should a magician practice to become really good? Are there any training methods that would improve my abilities, for example palming a coin? Can you recommend anything for a relatively new magician. Thanks for the advice.
Olly
What's that rabbit doing on your face?
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Niko Special user England 599 Posts |
Well you have to practice until you can do the trick/sleight perfectly. No faults, no nothing. As Maskelyne and Devant once said, "Never attempt, in public anything that cannot be performed with the utmost ease, in private." and I totally agree with that. Different people will be able to master different sleights faster than others. You should practice until you are confident.
-Nik
When you do something right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Jim Morton Veteran user 361 Posts |
Olly,
Practice is not something you ever stop doing. How much you need to practice certain moves depends entirely on the individual. Some sleights, like false deals, can take years to do effectively. Even after you've learned a sleight, you need to practice it to keep your skills up. If you don't like practicing, you've picked the wrong hobby. The best advice I can give you on practicing is that some things need to be practiced way past the point of giving up. There will be a few things that you will think "I can never do this!" You will practice some more and you still won't get it. You'll practice even more, and you still won't get it. You'll be ready to give up, and you'll say to yourself, "I'll give it one more try." And guess what? You STILL won't get it. And then one day you'll be practicing, and wham! You do it. These are the moments that make the practice all worthwhile. Jim |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I advise all of my students to do the following:
Practice until it becomes boring, then practice until it becomes beautiful.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
May I add...
WHAT you practice doing, makes a big difference. Good example...I palm a silver dollar, while driving to work every day. Each hand has a silver dollar classic-palmed. My hands are not accustomed to large coins, and it's going to take awhile before they are natural looking. I still can't get away from that "chicken-foot" look in my left hand...that said... Do it day in, day out...don't worry about showing people too soon. Even a gaffed effect, like Twisted Sisters requires refining your Elmsley...work on one thing, until you can do it while looking your spectator directly in the eye...not looking at the "dirty" hand, or shifting left to right during a sleight. A video camera is a ruthless, but helpful spectator...you cannot hide from that. You can see every flash... Someone recently told me, "Doug, when you can show that coin trick to a friend, and he says that it fooled him, and it was great, you have another month of steady practice to go." Cheers! Doug |
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Peter Marucci Inner circle 5389 Posts |
Olly,
It all depends on what you consider yourself to be. There is an old saying about magic: A hobbyist practices a trick until he gets it right. A professional practices it until he can't get it wrong. |
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Han Solo New user 60 Posts |
Alot:) J/K. I practice as much as possible. I practice While studying,while eating,and talking. I allmost always have a coin or a poker chip or a deck of cards practicing a slieght. Oh and by the way, a poker chip(I don't gamble) is a good way to practice coin slieghts. That is if you have large hands.
Jonathan Thompson
Kill da wabbit! Kill da wabbit!-Elmer Fudd
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nike New user ri 50 Posts |
And don't forget there is such thing as GOOD practice and BAD practice
practicing a move 4 hours a day does no good if you you are developing a bad habit good luck! |
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Joker 808 New user 35 Posts |
Thanks for the replies,
I will be sure to put them to the test throughout the next few months to improve my skills. Olly
What's that rabbit doing on your face?
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Niko Special user England 599 Posts |
I must say I agree with Jim Morton's view on practice. I am currently learning the 'Coin Roll' and I'm finding this extremely difficult thinking 'how am I ever going to be able to do this properly?' and I keep practicing but still I don't seem to improve. Maybe one day it will come and I will be able to do it perfectly.
Anyway I can almost do it now - but only with my hand palm down. Whenebver I try totilt my hand up, the coin always slides rigth off. I can't understand hwo I cna solve this - anyone got any tips? -Nik
When you do something right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Reis O'Brien Inner circle Seattle, WA 2467 Posts |
Get yourself in front of a mirror. Trust me.
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
Practice... Different people have different ways of looking at things... Here is the way that I look at practice!
It is often said in magic books the secret of how to be a success in magic is - Practice, Practice, Practice. I would like to go on record and add to that and say that there are three areas in magic that you need to Practice- if you want to be a successful magician. FIRST YOU... Practice a magic routine over and over again when you learn it and then add it to your show. THEN YOU... Practice the same routine in front of people and you learn much as you- PERFORM IT in front of a live audience... AND IF YOU... Practice the above along with your business skills you can build up a Practice like a Doctor or a Lawyer and be able make money (and maybe a living) off this wonderful art that is indeed magic... I hope this helps, Glenn Bishop http://www.mrhypnotist.org
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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Danny Diamond Inner circle Connecticut 1400 Posts |
For some more feelings on how much practice is needed, take a look at this thread, and really read the posts...
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......1&37 "A hobbyist practices a trick until he gets it right. A professional practices it until he can't get it wrong." Peter, I LOVE that saying, I had never heard it before! I think I have a new motto!
You don't drown by falling in the water;
you drown by staying there. - Edwin Louis Cole |
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CWMoss Regular user 111 Posts |
I would suggest starting with a very limited reportoire. When you have an effect you feel ready to perform, try it out and then evaluate yourself as to how it could have been better. Rate yourself in specific areas including how well you've delivered the script, pacing, eye contact,staging, smoothness of execution etc. Try to break it down and understand how a properly performed effect blends all of these elements into a performance piece.
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fantom New user 97 Posts |
How long do you need to practice? Well I have been practicing a little every day for the past sixteen years, and while my audiences have called me amazing, I still find flaws every once in a while with my performance. Remember that while you can practice in front of a mirror, you still know the secret. Its when you can even fool yourself that you have mastered something. And even then you must still practice to maintain that level of skill.
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Ciigam New user Lagos, Nigeria. 2 Posts |
If you can't perform a trick effortlessly and perfectly then believe me it's not worth performing it at all. Respectable magicians have worked hard to preserve the secrets of magic. Now it's your turn: you're one link in the long line of performers and we're counting on you.
To amuse and amaze.
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Liam Jones Veteran user 384 Posts |
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On 2004-03-30 22:19, Peter Marucci wrote: that is a good saying consistantly practise |
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Chris H Inner circle Melbourne, Australia 1364 Posts |
Hi Olly,
In answer to your question... A lot. C'mon! Someone had to say it, and you all knew it was probably gonna be me. Hehehehe. I don't really have anything to add to this thread. Just listen to the advice given above. These guys are all really good, and know what they're talking about. -- Topher |
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Jonatan B Veteran user Gothenburg, Sweden 342 Posts |
Just a little thought:
I remembered when I went through Card College vol One, and learned different sleights and tricks. I have to say, practice is absolute.. The sleights are almost useless and definately rusty if you haven't put in enough practice to them, remember: instruction isn't enough for you to learn something without any effort (AKA practice) put into it. Now go practice!
Jonatan Bank
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Rafa Regular user Costa Rica 102 Posts |
In aikido we say "Practice until you forget what you learned"
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