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MR Effecto Inner circle 2836 Posts |
Can always put on a PK ring. Then any cover will work over a glass.
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catweazle Special user 924 Posts |
Why does it have ugly buttons on it if you just slip it on an off?
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Tom Wong Loyal user England 291 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2017, MR Effecto wrote: And then you would eliminate complete movement of that hand, it makes no sense and looks extremely awkward to a spectator. You show that the glass is empty put the glass on the table but keep your hand on it? That's just stupid. Also this means that you can't vanish items with techniques such as the french drop as you are keeping one hand on the glass.
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Tom Wong Loyal user England 291 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2017, Rocky wrote: First of all as a magician you lose the ability to look at things like a lay person, it's just the way it is. Here's a few points: 1. A bulky metal cup takes up vital pocket space and makes for hard mobility. 2. A chop cup raises suspicion as it looks like a "prop" from a magic shop. 3. How often do you see metal cups? Go look in your kitchen cupboard right now. Do you see any metal cups? 4. This uses a BORROWED wine glass which rules out suspicion altogether, plus the sleeve can be examined to the spectators heart contents. 5. Would more people have been impressed with Dynamo if he would of put a spectators phone into a "large metal cylinder" that looked like something a magician would use on stage rather than a glass beer bottle? I don't think so
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Tom Wong Loyal user England 291 Posts |
Wouldn't be so harsh to call them ugly, but that's your opinion. Personally I think it adds to the sleeve.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
I don't get the buttons either. Seems odd to me.
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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
A piece of cloth draped over a glass won't be suspicious at all. Ill stick with my old school chop cup.
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SleepyMagic Inner circle Hopefully I'll pass my exams with 1646 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2017, MeetMagicMike wrote: When I first saw this product on the WPR, I thought that the sleeve was actually meant to look like a suit for the glass to make it look smart (don't ask me why I thought that), and the buttons were just the buttons from a suit....I know that's the weirdest thing to ever think if but you know maybe you could make it into a home like "let's make this glass a bit more smart" and then you put the "suit" on it. Lol Sleepy |
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Tom Wong Loyal user England 291 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2017, taller8 wrote: The cloth is justified. You say "Have you seen that game where they scam people out of their money? I am gonna try to demonstrate this for you *pick up the wine glass* but obviously this wouldn't work because you can see inside of the glass so I am going to cover it" See if you put your mind towards thinking about presentation rather than using it to think of sarcastic lines that get you thousands of laughs. See what I did there? I tried out your technique
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Roslyn Inner circle UK 3405 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2017, Tom Wong wrote: Fair point. Quote:
2. A chop cup raises suspicion as it looks like a "prop" from a magic shop. Putting a glass in a specially made jacket is also suspicious. Quote:
3. How often do you see metal cups? Go look in your kitchen cupboard right now. Do you see any metal cups? I have quite a few pewter cups and goblets for wine and mead. They're more common than you might think. In fact if you go into any decent cocktail bar and you should find mint juleps being served in a metal cup. I also have wooden mead cups. I've never seen a wine glass jacket before. Quote:
4. This uses a BORROWED wine glass which rules out suspicion altogether, plus the sleeve can be examined to the spectators heart contents. It's not the glass that's suspicious it's the little black jacket. If you could borrow a glass and wrap in a borrowed napkin then that could work. Although, even that would arouse suspicion when the magician happens to have a couple of balls in his pocket for the trick and then takes the final loads away. One could make balls out of more paper napkin and leave the final loads. Quote:
5. Would more people have been impressed with Dynamo if he would of put a spectators phone into a "large metal cylinder" that looked like something a magician would use on stage rather than a glass beer bottle? I don't think so No. But Dynamo borrowed a bottle and a phone and pushed the phone in to the bottle. Then left it all with the specs. This currently falls short of being a trick with borrowed objects that you can leave with the specs. See 4 for my thoughts on that. I'm not saying this is a bad trick. Far from it. I think it's awesome and will most likely get it. But if the reason you're buying it is because it looks less suspicious I'd recommend looking at the coffee cup chop cups that Leo Smetsers released recently or if you want something more corporate then have a look at a dice chop cup. I personally like this for the reveals.
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Roslyn Inner circle UK 3405 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2017, Tom Wong wrote: By the same token a regular chop cup is justified. "Have you ever seen that game where they scam people out of their money? They use all sorts of things these days; match boxs, little shells or even cards. Originally the game was played with a wooden or metal cup like this one. Here, check it out."
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Tom Wong Loyal user England 291 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2017, Roslyn wrote: Fair points all around. I guess this has advantages & disadvantages compared to a chop cup. Personally I like the chop glass more for one because as you mentioned the nice reveals, I like the fact that when a chop ball is loaded you can pretty much show the glass empty at a large amount of angles due to the curvature of the glass. Finally I am playing around with a few ideas which allow me to produce a full glass of wine for a finally
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Tom Wong Loyal user England 291 Posts |
Any other thoughts Roslyn?
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Karl M Inner circle 1276 Posts |
The glass breaks if you put it doiwn to hard,just found it out by trial and error
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Tom Wong Loyal user England 291 Posts |
Karl really.... another glass broken? Did you try to dislodge the ball with a hammer again?
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gjmagic Special user UK 974 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2017, Karl M wrote: I've solved that problem, I showed the WMS team a way to do the move at Blackpool where you don't do the usual dislodging of the ball. Gary Jones.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
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Use a close-up pad silly. Not good for those who claim the advantage of this is that you are not using any suspicious objects. Perhaps a couple of folded napkins, instead. |
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makulit974 Loyal user 259 Posts |
Just got this and I am very happy. Loved the chop cup routine and could not perform it due to lack of space. This does exactly what it says.
I don't find it suspicious. A folded napkin would not fit as well as this. We only find it suspicious because we know what it can achieve with that special crochet ball. But a layperson doesn't. Here in France, a bicycle deck looks suspicious because we don't use it as regular cards. I give them to shuffle it, and all suspicions are lifted. Same with the black cloth. On negative comment though. The 2 balls that come with it. The special one is not strong at all and doesn't stay in position at all. Matthew does mention that these are only for practice. But even for practice, mine can't be used. Lucky I had a couple from my regular set. Just something to bear in mind if you buy this. Get yourself some balls. Patrick |
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Roslyn Inner circle UK 3405 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2017, Tom Wong wrote: A constant flow mate. But mostly unrelated to this thread. It is a concern that the glass could potentially break. Does any shape wine glass work? How does this play on stage? Would I want to use this on stage? Does changing the glass do enough? Should we also change the balls? If the balls are changed for something else, what? Olives? Cherries? Grapes? What if the table aren't drinking wine and all the wine glasses have been removed? What if they are drinking wine and all the wine glasses are in use? What if you get to the table and use a glass they were going to drink from? You can't expect them to want to drink from it after it's been used for a trick. So is the answer to bring your own glass? If so, then the reduced pocket space argument is no more and how does one even carry something that is fragile? The list goes on tbh.
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