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joeybaron
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If the right hand is displaying the rod or gem stick palm up, which way does thumb move as hand is turned over to show other side? What are your preferences & why ?
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Thumb pushes, fingers pull. You get a more open display that way. Do it the other way, and you're likely to be covering up a portion of the paddle when doing it.

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In having to teach the paddle move to teens, I have found that placing the edge of the paddle object into the fold at the end of the index finger, and placing the middle of the pad of the thumb on the now sticking out edge of the paddle object works well.

The paddle is basically almost perpendicular to the index finger in this position. This is the paddle get ready position.

Pull up with thumb as you turn the back of your hand to the spectator to show one side. The paddle is now caught by the joint crease and rests against the palm side of the finger flesh of the finger between this joint and the knuckle joint. To "show" the other side of the paddle, push the paddle into the index finger joint crease with your thumb as you turn your hand outward. The paddle will pivot against this joint crease and come to rest between this joint crease and the index finger tip - basically on the pad of the fingertip.

The thumb now rests against the index finger tip, still trapping the paddle, still on the same edge, and still applying gentle pressure of the pivot edge of the paddle against the index finger 1st joint crease. The hand appears to be back of hand downish, palm upish - so it appears you've simply flipped your hand over and the paddle with it.

The advantage of this approach is that you always have positive control of the paddle - there is no slipping because you are pivoting and pushing against the first joint crease.

I hope that this helps.

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You can also check out Chance Wolf's version of the paddle move here. While you're there, check out "Shattered", his ultra-cool version of the paddle trick.
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Thanks guys. While I'm at it, any suggestions for switching an examinable stick in at the end?
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If the paddle slips, I've found a coating of Vagisil, obtained from the chemist to the fingers prevents any slipping.
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Jay Sankey (in Jay Sankey Live) does a trick with a lighter and sticky dots. He suggests doing the move horizontally instead of vertically as this minimises the risk of flashing from some angles.
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After the trick. Put the paddle in your pocket, but remove it at once and say, "OH, did you want to see my unique stick?"
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No No no.. your regular hot rod is examinable.. just end by "changing" one side of the stick and handing it over asking the spectator to "change" the other side.. your now clean!!
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Some people wrap a rubber band several times around the end. They tell me this makes it easier for them since it's rounder now. Personally I just practiced.
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Concerning the examination of the "Hot Rod" at the end; I use a numerical force to choose the "Change-to" color and a shaking motion at the wrist to change from many colors that one. This also provides cover for your paddle move. I shake the rod the chosen number of times: Example, they choose four count down four to the color and shake the rod four times to change into that color. Shake four more times and it changes back. Shake 1/2 that many times and it only changes 1/2 of the rod. This is a very simplified version of my routine, but it does allow for the device to be examined immediately without any switches and a fairly logical explanation to the state it's in (mismatched sides).
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The shaking movement really works well. I go "You chose 'three?', let's see the third is red, one (with a shake) two (with a shake), THREE."

My wife actually picked up the hot rod, looked at it, and still was shaking the thing trying to get it to change.

Another way is to slowly cover it with your hand and without any hesitation when it's covered, remove your hand to display the change. It seems amateurish, the sleight is just so easy, but it floors them. It's the timing.

As for being examinable, of course it is. When you change it, don't change it back to the multi colors. Then hand it to them and ask them to change it to multi colors on both sides. When they can't take it back and change it to multi colors on both sides and put it away, go immediately into your next trick.
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On 2004-04-02 15:20, amshake wrote:
No No no.. your regular hot rod is examinable.. just end by "changing" one side of the stick and handing it over asking the spectator to "change" the other side.. your now clean!!


I'm sorry, but that's really lame. A person with the intelligence of a chimpanzee can retrace the whole thing from that. Is there any reason that you need to let the spectators fondle your props?
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In response to the previous 2 posts, A slight (Sleight?)variation on the move suggested by RikBrooks: reach over the rod with 2 fingers while holding it by the middle contact the bottom end and rotate it 180 degrees. During the rotation it will be completely covered, perform the paddle move in mid spin. When it stops it will have changed seemingly right before the spectators eyes. It appears very open since you are minimally touching the rod itself, and also very visual. In response to Mr. Palmer: I strongly disagree. Most people ask right away to see the rod upon completion of the routine. With a good routine and a little misdirection one of the highlights of the routine is the close examination that the rod stands up to, especially when it's casually "reset" before putting it away. As far the intellegence of the spectator goes; whenever I meet my close friend, who happens to have a PhD in Physics, he has a new (and incorrect) theory of how the little gems change colors only at my command. Please have more respect to the people who are happy to be fooled and choose not to ruin the experience with dissection. Thank You.
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PhD's are one thing, children and chimpanzees are another. My closest non-magician friend is the fellow who set up the communications system at NASA's Houston headquarters. He still holds the record for high school science fair wins, nationally. Yet he can't figure out the most obvious tricks. He thinks to far above the curve.

A six-year-old kid will stand a much better chance of figuring it out.

Why beg for trouble by handing out your props? But what do I know? After all, I'm not a chef.
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On 2004-08-02 04:20, Bill Palmer wrote:
PhD's are one thing, children and chimpanzees are another. My closest non-magician friend is the fellow who set up the communications system at NASA's Houston headquarters. He still holds the record for high school science fair wins, nationally. Yet he can't figure out the most obvious tricks. He thinks to far above the curve.

A six-year-old kid will stand a much better chance of figuring it out.

Why beg for trouble by handing out your props? But what do I know? After all, I'm not a chef.


Bill has it right ( as usual ). If they want to see the props, then the magic is not being done properly. Audience management is just as important as the sleights!
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You guys are right, of course. Only a couple of close aquaintences have ever asked and that's just because I've known them for many years, before my interest in magic.

My wife (an RN, degreed, not unintelligent at all) kept looking at it then back at me, then at it. I could tell what she was going to do, eventually she'd find it in my magic case and look at it so I just handed it to her. She examined it all over and STILL was mystified.

I figured that I did the trick well.

I was just trying to answer the question, that's all. What if someone DID ask?
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Actually, we are discussing different performing situations here, as well. Minnesotachef is performing for his friends. In this case, rikbrooks is performing for his wife. In my case, I'm performing for an audience, so I would normally be going into another routine during the time that people would be asking to examine the props. Generally, prop scrutinization slows routines down, so the presentation loses its flow, and that's not usually a good thing.

There are a couple of ways to handle "spectator examination syndrome" or SDS. One is to let a spectator hold a prop for a few moments during some part of a routine. The inference here is that since they can hold it, it must be unprepared. This can be risky, but if you watch them closely, you can manage them without too much difficulty.

A second method is the switch-out. I believe in ending routines clean. So I generally will do a switch out whenever I have a chance. I don't do "hot rod" very often any more, but I do have the item, as well as a matching switch-out rod. I'll have a very subtle, tiny, almost unnoticeable mark on both rods, positioned in such a way that the spectator will see it, and it will not interfere with the workings of the routine. When I switch the rod out, I'll put it aside -- not directly into the spectator's hands -- and let it sit in view. They see the mark, so they assume it is the same rod. If they grab it, they learn nothing. I got the idea for the mark from Nate Leipzig's routine with the cap and pence.

The closest thing to "hot rod" that I currently use is a version of the color changing knives, based on Nick Niberco's knife transposition routine. In this routine, a stag handled knife and a pearl handled knife change places, while the spectator is holding the "pearl handled knife" under a handkerchief. At the end of the routine, I wind up with the pearl handled knife, and they have the stag handled knife. When they look at the knife in the handkerchief, I have all the time in the world to switch for the ungaffed knife. I let them hold both knives for a moment before I go into my next routine.

This is very strong, because the magic happens in their hands.
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Another way out is to use any number of cigarette vanishes to dispose of the rod completely. Especially if you push the rod through your hand to change it during your routine, it acts as foreshadowing to the vanish. I have also seen the trick end with just the gems vnishing of the rod leaving a blank stick.
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That's a good idea. make your last paddle effect into a change Smile
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