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ssibal Veteran user 352 Posts |
Looks like the guys who beat him up 18 years ago finally tracked him down...
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
The way he is acting anybody would think he was a magician.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Ahlichs New user 76 Posts |
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On Mar 9, 2017, tommy wrote: He's really not taking advantage of his character. He could easily pivot to doing handcuff escapes and such. "Hustling big games can be dangerous. Serious players don't like to lose..." Cut to bullet catch. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
It is quite hilarious that some gambling spot members treat fictional magical characters as if they are real and take what they say seriously.
Look, this fictional magical character is not a serious card cheat! No **** Sherlock.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
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On Mar 3, 2017, Artie Fufkin wrote: Same here! Ackerman's take is excellent.
Cordially Yours,
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
What is hilarious is that if the guy was not English, I bet you would not defend him. Seriously, I have no other logical explanation about you.
Fictional you say? It's over a decade now that he boasts he is a former card cheat, that he almost died because he cheated, blablabla. He is arrogant, he is despising, he shows no respect to anybody. Apparently the young guys like this kind of attitude, but the world is not made of young guys only. This time he went too far, insulting people, using pitiful language for commenting Erdnase's work, etc. And ellusionist doesn't know how to fix all that mess. Everyone is making the fun out of him and I truly believe that, this time, he deserves it. Just watch 20' of any of his DVDs from his "Madison x Erdnase" and you'll realize (besides, you are a pro tommy!) how fake he is! He has never played a single serious game. Never. Dozens of Magicians created fictional characters, and it was okay. The difference is that they did not brag or boast, and they didn't insult people either. I don't understand why you're on his side. I saw a few people defending him, but ALL were English citizens, hence my comment above. There are many good references about Erdnase which are worth the price. Someone named Ackerman, there is also Darwin Ortiz, David Ben, etc. Like Wesley James' attempt, DM's version of Erdnase will be remembered as a poor (very poor) material. |
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Peterson Regular user 159 Posts |
I can get the making fun of Madison, it is what we humans like to do the most. But seriously, hating him or should I rather say: get bothered by his presence, is outstretched in my opinion. I'm completely here with tommy. I mean why do we care so much about him? The guy is just making the money. May be it is amoral do deceive the public about the real cheating, but who cares anyway.
"insulting people" I am always of an opinion that - if someone is insulted by other people sayings - that someone deserves it. I can get frustration and short anger. But to get really bothered, it is something alien to me. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Oh, so the readers deserve to be named "lay-bastards" and Erdnase needs to "f.u.c.k off"?
Okay, okay. Er, the rest of this thread will be without me. I'm done with it. |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
It's not that I care, but simply because he's just annoying and obnoxious, and yes this is all because he always keeps boasting and for his 'who are you, I don't give it a !@#$" attitude. I don't like him and there is no good words about him from me; and he deserves it. It's also ok that he keeps his way and let more people hate him.
I like Ackerman a lot. He is humble, never boasts, yet no-one questions his capability. I like Steve Forte a lot, and I heard Mr. Forte is also a very very humble person. |
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Peterson Regular user 159 Posts |
"Oh, so the readers deserve to be named "lay-bastards" and Erdnase needs to "f.u.c.k off"?"
People who are insulted by those words, phrases, namings deserve to be insulted. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Peterson,
Er, just for my peace of mind, are you English/British? |
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Peterson Regular user 159 Posts |
I know that I have trouble explaining my point of view because the English is not my fist or even second language. So I am going to use an example.
There is Ukrainian blogger who frequently calls Uzbekistan or Arab people from Russia and tells them that he done one bad thing with their mother. Imagine the reaction. They yell, threat and just go crazy, because he said one sentence. Instead of ignoring him or just hang up on him they are involved. They try to set up a meeting to beat or even murder him because he said that one sentence. ( he sometimes pulls this off by using street view cameras and just laughs at them when they come like in pack of 10 people to beat him up). The point is this. If some retard tells something unpleasant - why even bother to listen to him? As I said. I can get frustration and short anger, but if someone is really p*ssed off or he is really angry, I think that person deserves it. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
All magicians, to me, are fictional characters who exhibit the art of appearing to perform absurd feats. When a magician makes an absurd claim I go along with the claim, without questioning it logically, to enter the spirit of thing, for my amusement. When I hear self-styled "ex-professionals” regaling the public, with astounding disclosures of their former wiles and wickedness, I will go along with it for my amusement, especially if it is a magician doing so. The world is their stage. Some never step out of character and stick to their fictional backstories in their daily lives. Off stage magicians can seem strange and even obnoxious, because their fictional characters are strange and determine and the way they act. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSyy07lNWug
Dai Vernon actually was a great raconteur, which is a person who tells tall stories, anecdotes in a skilful and amusing way. I don’t question such stories; I listen to them for my amusement. Unlike you, I do not defend or attack magical fictional characters or the stories they tell which do not exist in reality. Magicians do not exist in reality; they are not born in England or anywhere else on the planet. They are make-believe characters from the world of dreams. Fiction means "that which is invented or imagined in the mind.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
I have no problem with it tommy. As long as you don't call me a lay-bastard.
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dapo24 New user 57 Posts |
He threw the bait and you all caught it. Just ignore the guy, there's no reason to waste that much time on him.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On Mar 10, 2017, dapo24 wrote: Keep up the good work. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
Correct!
Many magicians, who perform magic with a gambling theme, pretend they have some actual card table experience. I.e. This move was shown to me by a very clever cardsharp, who I met in a casino in Havana and they tell all sorts of ripping yarns. There may be a grain of truth in some of them but they exaggerate to create what are illusions, which are distortions of the truth. A magician can be put up here at the Spot as one who knows or as a flat but really they are all dubious. Never mind magicians, we should never believe anybody. Stephen Fry: Learning: How do we know what to believe? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xg6exg_......creation
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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MediocreMagic New user 1 Post |
Was Erdnase that good after all? Yes, they authored the book The Expert at the Card Table, considered essential reading for any card magician. I agree, it's a fantastic book and a wonderful resource. With that being said, when did writing a book equate that the author could actually do what was within' the pages of it?
That seems to be the automatic assumption made by readers, however, I could author a book about heart surgery with the help of a few resources, so does this mean I am able to go into a hospital and perform open heart surgery? Absolutely not. So because Erdanse wrote a book about sleight of hand, cheating and so forth doesn't necessarily prove they were able to do it. Theory vs Practice. Remember S. W. Erdnase is a pseudonym, nobody actually saw "them" do these things. I don't have much of an opinion on Madison, I've never met the guy, but regardless if you like him or not he can at least prove he can pull off those moves. Maybe I'm wrong, and that's OK as I am only providing a different way to look at it. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
Erdnase is good. It is the magicians who are not good sleight of hand artists which are not.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2017, MediocreMagic wrote: Indeed you are. |
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