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Mad Jake
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Say there was a set of cups available that are almost indestructible, It can't be caused, cracked, dented, scratched and mouth never go out of round if dropped, withstand heat temperature of boiling water. What would a set of cups like this
be worth to the magic community? Especially strolling magicians. Any insight is appreciated. Final loads are REALLY silent. Even in white a 2" Chrome ball bearing can not be detected.

The cons of the cups so far. My Rott managed to chew through it after 2 hours and a 45 Magnum makes it vanish.

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Jake, you need to call them "Buskers Delight!" They sound very interesting!

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I guess if you'r not shot at or attacked by a dog while performing you're safe??? They sound interesting, but also like some kind of plastic or synthetic. I do like my metal cups. But out in the real rough and tumble world, just what the doctor ordered.
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Carbon Fiber?
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PLA, ABS, Delrin, Carbon Fiber, Poly Carbonate they are all to dense to pull it off. Jr. has designed a material that will now take a 45 magnum at 20 feet away and all it does is knock the cup off the target stand.
.The material is so resilient you could run it over with a car. and pick it up and go right back to your routine. His pitch is towards children's parties where any 10 year old could snatch your cups or cup. They
don't dent, scratch, crack and they are still rigid enough to feel comfortable in your hands. and they will next 3 on the saddle. Not enough room in your case for transport? No problem, just fold them up or
just stuff them in between props. When you take them out, you give them a couple rubs between your hands and the cups are perfect again.

As for a playful Rot chewing on them for 2 hours or so, well Jr. hasn't worked that part out yet.

They're not for everyone, but if you know you'll be in a situation where someone want's to examine and might drop it, they'll be ok.

So far he's done them in white and was able to tint the material with a deeper white, you can have 3 Fire Red balls stacked and there is no transparency.
Same goes for final loads. He produced 3 large steel ball bearings and they loaded with no sound and no visibility through each cup.

A prototype set has been sent out to someone and we will wait till he reports back on the durability of the cups as well as any pro and cons.

AS Pete Biro always says "Stay Tooned"

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I'm listening.
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They sound good to me Jake.
Nearly indestructable cups are always going to be very useful.

Tom
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Can you/will you make an ungimmicked benson bowl from this material as well?
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Sounds like Kevlar.
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Nope, not Kvlar, unless you want to pay 1K for a set and even then there are properties in Kevlar that wouldn't allow
the shape to return. I put one under my Mustang back tire and rolled over a cup a few times today and it sprung right
back into shape.

cbguy, I probably could, but would have to look at the ratio of material to size of the bowl and design. If you're talking about
the design my father had with RNT2, then yes, I could probably make you one like that. Through 3 cups in the over
set to 200 degrees, material was pliable. It adapted to the cooler air in about 5 minutes and it was badk to it's same
shape. I'm trying all sorts of ideas to put this material up against adverse actions and it's passing all the tests, well
I still have my dad's Rot, Saint and he did get teeth holes in it.

Another application I was thinking this would be good for would be wand tips, just as protective covers.


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This sounds great, Jake. I am thinking that it sounds like a soft silicone material. I have a set of silicone wine glasses that I've often thought would be perfect for the cups and balls, were it not for the wine glass shape. Either way, I am intrigued!
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It's not a silicone. I've changed the chemical properties of something. So far after adding different dyes to it, I've been successful in creating the true Opaque White, Black, Super Blue, I tried yellow and red, both had a negative reaction to the base. I made one cup in each color and had
a complete breakdown in the cup when pressure is applied to them. I don't know why it break down with these 2 particular colors, but I'm going to have to find alternative dyes and with the EPA on it's way out I shouldn't have a hard time, but safety is my first concern.
It also has 2 enemies, Acetone and Gasoline. Kerosine is fine, but the other two destroys them.

I'm enjoying the project and I think I'm only a few days away from having it in producible material with the exception of having to test tints and dyes with it.

I did enlarge the saddle and it nests 3 balls just fine.

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Those Super Blue cups sound great.
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Now I'm picturing you in a secret lab like Walter White. "I've changed the chemical properties of something." Good God man, I hope you are wearing protective gear Smile

Seriously though, the material sounds awesome. I'm wondering if aside from making props out of it, is there a magic effect possible using this material?
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I've made some notes a long the way. There might be some other uses. Nothing really dangerous about this material. You can change any chemical property simply by adding tap water to it.
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I've set in motion the first set of cups. I will photograph and video the cups as well in action.

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I actually have a signature routine that I have been using Porper wooden cups for.This sounds interesting and possibly a better alternative! Intriguing!
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Brian,
funny you should mention wooden cups. By the end of the week I have a 4 Axis milling machine arriving. We'll be able to do in house CNC cup work and cup engraving. I've had a few PM's about wands. The only wands I can recommend is
first choice Brett Sherwood and Thomas Wayne.

Brian do you remember the Foxy 1 and the Foxy 2 cups in the early days of RNT2? Mike Brazill and I used to pitch that you could use Foxy 1 cups as final loads for the Foxy 2's. Well with the last change I made You can fit a Foxy 2 style cup
inside the smaller Foxy 1 cup as a final load and the Foxy 2's are 2/3rd larger than the Foxy 1 cups. Please I'm not bragging, but this particular project I started with my dad and it kept challenging us and we ran with it.

Thanks to everyone for feedback and positive energy.

All the Best,
Mad Jake Jr.

PS Brian, have you done a second run on your cups yet?
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Mad Jake: I'm really looking forward to seeing these bad boys and a Benson Bowl like your Dad's design for RnT2 is perfect.

Thanks!
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I'm keen as well.
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