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Dan! No, I haven't found the time to do it in the way that I think it requires...maybe I just have to rethink how I should do it... maybe less detail(?)

anyway, it IS still on my list of things to get to...
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I have been using the same set of rings since 1974, ten inch rings that I believe were made by Rings n Things, and they are wonderful. I later added a "special" ring that I believe was made by D.A. Tayade of India. I decided it might be time to get a back-up set, and when I looked at rings at Abbott's Magic Co (Where I got my set in 1974) the prices were incredibly low, not much more than what I paid 45 years ago. Also, they have stainless steel rings. The price is so low that it seems like there has to be a catch. Anybody have any idea what is going on? How is this possible? And does anyone have any idea where I could buy a really decent of ten inch rings? Rings n Things (despite their name) does not seem to manufacture linking rings, and Tayade does seem to have the "special" ring in his catalog. Any thoughts/ideas/opinions will be appreciated.
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The Abbotts Linking rings are manufactured by Fun Inc. if that helps.
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On Jul 22, 2019, thomasR wrote:
The Abbott's Linking rings are manufactured by Fun Inc. if that helps.


Making statements like that without clarity is dangerous. Abbott's many now, within the last several years, sell Fun Inc. but when the poster is speaking of Abbott's from the 1970's to the 1940's, they most certainly made their own Linking Rings and props.

Greg Bordner told me a couple times, he would rather not manufacturer their own products, but just buy wholesale. After his father passed away, that is what he slowly converted to. Of course the countries recessions helped push it forward.

I spent many Saturday's at Abbott's. Me and a magician friend went to Abbott's so he could purchase Abbott's Linking Rings in 1970.

Owen magic does not make their Owen rings, they contract to have a metal shop make them. When I was there, Les Smith took me on a tour, there was no metal shop, just a wood shop.
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Umm... it’s listed right on Abbott’s Magic website? I said “are made” not “were made” - I highly doubt the OP was confused by what I was saying.

As to your example with Owen... they are still Owens rings... Owens is not buying someone else’s rings, they are having a metal shop manufacture them to their specifications if that is indeed what they are doing.
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Umm... it’s listed right on Abbott’s Magic website? I said “are made” not “were made” - I highly doubt the OP was confused by what I was saying.

As to your example with Owen... they are still Owens rings... Owens is not buying someone else’s rings, they are having a metal shop manufacture them to their specifications if that is indeed what they are doing.



Using such words as "are" and "were" is not clear on an International Website.

And yes that is what I said concerning Owens Magic. I never said they were never Owens rings, just that they did not have a machine shop, and shopped out the Linking Rings.

They also hire Mexican immigrants and paid them $10, at the time I was there, they were cutting out jumbo wood 3 Card Monte. This was in 1981.
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$10 an hour was good money in 1981. Good for them!
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I have a couple of sets of linking rings and wanted to upgrade. I went back and forth regarding the Owens sets and a Proline set. Some of the posts I had read here regarding issues with delivery from Proline had given me pause about them so I sent them an email asking about availability etc and got a prompt reply. I ended up ordering a 12 inch 8 ring set from Proline. Good tone and weight..not too heavy and I had them 10 days from the time I ordered. They answered all my emails and questions promptly, so maybe I just got lucky but my experience was more positive than that of some posts I have read.
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Great to hear. I have a really nice set of Owen Rings that I purchased used. One day I’d love to get a set of prolines, I’ve heard the locking ring is really nice. (The Owen locking is a pain, I’ve figure out a way to justify the move but I still wish it was easier.)
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For me the Prolines works like a charm...quite easy to work with one hand...I have seen posts that say the Owens rings can be harder to do with one hand but I have never had a set of Owens rings so I can't compare.

Proline's are aluminum and I know some folks prefer stainless...I have a couple of standard stainless sets but the aluminum are a lot lighter, especially in a 12 inch set, and the tone is much better than my stainless sets if that makes any difference to you.

I use both types depending on the audience and the routine...

If your routine requires certain metallic properties the aluminum may not work for you...but as far as wear and tear the aluminum seem to be holding up fine so far.
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The Owen can’t be done with a single hand, at least not by me! So yeah that’s a huge win for the prolines. Based on reviews I’m pretty sure the prolines do sound better, but the Owens sound fine for me, I want them to look and sound like they are actually solid metal, and the Owens do.

The only thing I would want to compare is how they look on stage, the Owens just look perfect on stage under the lights.

The rings have always been one of my favorite pieces of magic, one day I’ll get a set of pro lines for sure.
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The Owen can’t be done with a single hand, at least not by me! So yeah that’s a huge win for the prolines. Based on reviews I’m pretty sure the prolines do sound better, but the Owens sound fine for me, I want them to look and sound like they are actually solid metal, and the Owens do.

The only thing I would want to compare is how they look on stage, the Owens just look perfect on stage under the lights.

The rings have always been one of my favorite pieces of magic, one day I’ll get a set of pro lines for sure.


The Owen stainless rings are the best in my opinion.
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I've been using my Owen's 8 ring set for at least 3 decades and they are just as perfect as when I bought them. No, I don't use the locking key. I don't have a reason to in my routine.
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I've been using my Owen's 8 ring set for at least 3 decades and they are just as perfect as when I bought them. No, I don't use the locking key. I don't have a reason to in my routine.


The routine I do can easily be done without a locking ring, and indeed I performed rings for decades without one. I probably wouldn’t have paid extra for a locking ring, but the Owen set I bought used included it. Displaying 4-rings with that locking ring.... I’m a full convert!
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Yeah, I'll have to admit if I was doing more of a Ross style routine I would have done that as well. I played with one in the shop all the time. The gaff just took up valuable space in the gap (if you know what I mean) and slowed down other moves.
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I’m with Ray on this one!
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I’m with Ray on this one!


lol... I just watched you and learned from the Master! When are we going to shoot that routine?
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It better happen soon... before I forget it!
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I’m with Ray on this one!


Your opinion doesn’t count because you are performing REAL magic with those rings I’m convinced! Smile

But yes Ray does make a great point... some moves are difficult with the key ring. Only 2 Moves that I do are affected by it but other routines would be worse with the key.
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Thanks Thomas!

When I started on my NEW (6 ring routine) I anticipated that I would be able to incorporate a locking key... so I got one.
But after years of working with an open key, I found it only complicated the situation.
there was only one move that was actually better: a chain of four (key, single, and chain of two) but it wasn't worth all the tsuris that it brought, just for that one move....
and eventually, I found decent 'work around'.
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