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Glenn

I think you should be a VIP guest for a week in the Café! I bet you have some interesting tales to tell!

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Glenn,
I make a point of asking permission myself for just the same reasons. And there have been times people have said they would rather I not use something when I've asked. I have always respected that as well.

Funny thing though, those who didn't want me to use a particular piece often spent time with me helping me figure out another approach that would be just as effective for me.
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Erik... I think that pro's like you are great. They help younger magicians. They make more work for magicians by doing shows in a professional manner.

And having to have known a few pro's in my day I have found that when they get together with other professionals they are void of an ego. And have helped me learn many things over the years.

I hope to see you perform live sometime.

Best ahead,

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Kamster... what a great idea, using the Pea Can...

Glenn... now that you have published the rope tie, I'm asking permission, here and now, to PRACTICE it. Then, when I feel I can show it, will check back with you for an OK.

I remember well, seeing your dad do that routine, and while he was living and working I wouldn't consider doing it. It was one of the top 10 comedy routines of all time for my way of thinking.

I used to say, "Wow, what a great act, and it all fits in his pocket."

He, Benson, Jay, Ballantine and Roger Ray (the greatest music act next to Victor Borge) were my idols when I was growing up.
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Pete...

I think my Dad would be really proud if you did his rope tie.

I used to do it but when I did my Dads stuff I found the audience falling asleep when I did it...

I think that is why I became a hypnotist.

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Thanks to every one that has replied, I have just got back from a trade show. I now have three good finishes thanks to you all.
One: the pea under the shot glass gets them.
Two: getting the volunteer to put their finger on the shell which has the pea, (not any more)
Three: Explaining how you have a pea under each one, then in turn you show them empty.
These do work to blow them away, thanks.
If you have any more ideas please keep it coming.
With Thanks
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The operator explains that the spectators are confused by the number of shells. He has the spectator hold out his hand palm up, and one of the shells is placed onto it. He is told to close his hand in a fist. The operator places the pea under one of the remaining shells, and mixes the two shells.

When the shells are turned over, the pea is gone.

The spectator opens his hand, the magician lifts the shell, and there in the spectator's hand is the pea.

This ending was used by Harry Anderson. A method is also described by Bob Sheets on his Absolutely Nuts video.

This is made stunningly effective, and ridiculously simple using the School for Scoundrels Magnetic Street Shells.

This is my favorite ending for the shells, since it happens in the spectator's hand, it doesn't require me to carry additional props (shot glass, ashtray, etc.), and it keeps the ending in theme with the trick as a con game, but carried to a level of "skill" that is incomprehensible and magical.
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I like this ending to Whit... I consider you King of the shell game... And me? I am just the Bishop...

Best ahead,

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Thanks, Glen. I still consider myself just a student of the shell game. But what an interesting study!
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Have you ever thought of two of the shells fusing back together around the pea. then cracking the shell to get it out. You can find a great version of this in the "Hanxamean Approach To The 3 Shell game"
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I was performing the shell game when working at the new mall opening and was toying with different endings. The one that got the best reaction was when the spectator can't find the pea I would make it easy for them by saying we will use only two shells and turning one upside down. The spectator could not find it still so I would say I'm going to make it easier for them by using just one shell and turning another shell upside down and placing the pea under one shell and I would let them turn it over and the pea was gone only to reappear in the bag that I keep the shells in.
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The best ending I've ever seen is on the Phill Cass video.

Glenn's is a great surprise, no doubt.
Kohler's is great too.
Charlie Frye has a surprise ending. Cute. And a good routine.

The best ending I've ever seen is on the Phill Cass video.

If you've not seen it, you're missing out on what I consider,
one of the greatest endings of any trick, period.

This is a perfect example of it being completely incorrect to think that
a trick is always better if it... "fools laymen and magicans alike". (pardon me while I puke).

I knew what was coming (since I've seen this type of thing before) but I
was howling with laughter knowing that the audience was about to be left absolutely stunned. The psychology employed was fantastic and fun.

So, here, the differences are interesting:
Surprise (woo hoo, I fooled a magician)
vs.
A completely stunned audience

Which would you prefer?

On the SFS DVD, Bob Sheets brings up a very interesting point that I had not thought of. His routine was simple, easy to learn, and the ending was descent.
But he mentioned that he does not like to "shoot the wad" if he's only performing for a couple spectators. He likes to save the "big finish" for when he's got a larger audience. This is a good idea. Especially if you're at a cocktail party and perfomring this several times. When a large crowd develops, you've probably got many repeat visitors. Now is the time to kick them in the teeth with something absolutely mind-blowing.

So, I think the cute endings or the surprise endings are great sometimes. But the killer endings like the one on the cass video are the absolute best but can be saved for times when you want a grande finale.
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Quote:
On 2005-11-05 14:25, Ragman wrote:
Have you ever thought of two of the shells fusing back together around the pea. then cracking the shell to get it out. You can find a great version of this in the "Hanxamean Approach To The 3 Shell game"


WHY?

What motivates such a thing?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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What motivates such a thing?

The idea behind it is to make it vanish from under the last shell sitting on the table.(This could even be the shell under a shot glass)You will then place two shells face to face and have them hold them in this condition.(This is your chalenge sequence, proving you can swindle them even in the most disparaging position)Then a magical happening accurs; the pea is not under the shell which is under the glass. This leads the spectator to the logical conclusion that it must be between the shells the spectator is holding. When they try to seperate the shells they realise they are holding an intact and fully examinable walnut.

The idea here is to create a bridge from just a swindle type effect more into the area of "magic". It really is all about your own taste in your performance. If you are doing it as a demonstration of the swindle known as the 3 shell game then having these endings is of no use. However if you like the idea of using a magical approach to accomplish your feats then this is a fair way to end.

It also puts you into the great position of having the magic happen in the spectators hand. It can also put you in the great position to clean up any props or the like while they finish cracking the shell to remove the pea inside. I find sometimes find that having an end to a routine that is unexpected is very advantages. It looks as if you can do almost anything with the articles you have around you. Even if the ending does not make the greatest amount of sense and appears to be done for the sake of being "done" that does not mean it should be discounted. After all the three shell and pea game is a good example of illogical thinking to a degree. The main thing that makes it acceptable in most cases is the fact it is an ancient gambling swindle. If you think for a moment; why a shell? why a pea? why three shells and not four?

These points are retorical what I am trying to say is that the ending of the routine is simply motivated by your own needs and wants. The walnut coming together at the end is simply the end I do on occasion. So I thought I would mention it. Thanks for listening
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The three shell game is one of the few, along with the linking rings, that you can set on the table and the audience instantly knows what's up.

It's also one of the only tricks you can screw up this week and do it again next week and the audience will think "you're getting better".

They know how it's done. You move the pea at will They think it's a game. It's difficult to and why would you want to change their mind? A natural set up for a routine you don't have to explain. How good is that?

I use this at my walk-around gigs for the early arrivals. I set the table up leave the shells with the plastic pea there and go back and do the short routine from the Introduction to the Shell Game DVD and then as Starsini said zap them with a more advanced, no way they can get it routine. Putting a contrived magical piece in the routine confuses the audience.

I did a private party where three times in a row, doing my advanced routine, one group after the other, each made exactly the same, wrong, choices. The one's that went before had done it, didn't have a chip to bet, and watched their friends make the same bad picks they did. No outs, and they thought I just knew how to manipulate the thinking of the players. They were just blown away. It just doesn't get any better than that.

There are some more routines coming, but you have to have the basics down first. So party on my brothers.

bob.
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I have been doing the shell game for about thirty years or more so here are some thoughts on the shell game.

I would have to say that the audience THINKS that they know how it is done. And some have no idea. And most often they have heard about the shell game but have never seen it.

Suggested advice, don't make the routine to long. Don't make the spectators look foolish if the guess wrong. I like to have a lot of spectators guess.

When performing I like to just do the highlights and then. Build to a strong finish!

Smile and have fun and keep it light hearted!
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This is great advice from two guys who have done the shell game more than just about anyone else -- Bob Sheets and Glenn Bishop.

I wholeheartedly recommend the S4S video on the shell game, just to see Bob do his routine. And I recommend that you go to the Scoundrels forum and get Glenn's routine as well.

When you watch them, don't think, "I can do that," or "My idea is better." Look at the routine, and see if you can understand how and why it works.

I guarantee you that when you have been doing the shells as long as these guys have, you have already seen nearly everything that can be done with the shells.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't try some original thinking. But a lot of the things that have happened with the shells have been the result of trying to solve non-existent problems. For example, on the Ouellette video, and in Supershells, as well, he recommends using a couple of flattish bowls in place of the shot glass. This is to prevent the shell from flipping over. Evidently, Gary used some shells that were to small for his shot glass once. If you get the right shot glass, that's not going to happen. The inner shape of the glass will prevent it.

Whit can attest to this -- during my recent trip to Nashville, I stopped at at least 15 antique shops looking for a particular size and style of shot glass, because I wanted one that would work with the Colorado Silver Shells, and had an 1890's appearance. I found three of the type I was looking for that would fit. The rest of them were either too large or too small.

However, when I got back home, I made a discovery that fixed me up with a shotglass that is perfect for the shells I use. If you use the S4S shells, PM me, and I'll tell you where to get the coolest shotglasses.
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I kinda like the idea of handing the spec two half shells (switching for a real walnut) and at the finish they just have the walnut and I wouldn't have it opened or anything... just use it as a kicker... let 'em keep the walnut.
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Very nice ideas on the shells to Bill and great idea of trying several shot glasses to find one you like. When I got my set of copper shells from the s4s they came with a great shot glass to do the effect.

Not only do the copper shells have a rich look to them. They are heavy and work well with the sponge pea and the perfect pea.

I did a show last night for a group of bankers. I did about an hour of close up before my magic/hypnosis show. And I used the copper shells with the soft pea and the s4s thimbles with the perfect pea.

My new ending with the thimble rig is to have them pick a thimble. Show it not their put the thimble on my right thumb. Now were down to two thimbles. Next thimble not there put the thimble on my first finger. Now were down to one thimble.

Last thimble not there. Pull the thimble off my thumb and the pea falls out. The end.

Both went over very well.

I also wanted a different ending with the thimbles than my shot glass ending.
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I like to browse antique/junk shops. Some years ago I found a brass walnut - hinged on one side, little catch on the other...actual size of a real walnut! I use it to carry two perfect peas. I don't let anyone see the inside of this little container as I remove "the pea", and just snap the "walnut" closed and put it to one side. At the end of the routine, of course, the pea isn't under any of the shells, but has found it's way back to the container. Of course, I introduce this device as "..the original nut-case - - I'm just a copy!"

I've often wondered what the thing was originally used for...

Riley
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