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Max Wells
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On May 10, 2017, Tom Cutts wrote:

I think you overlooked the sarcasm.


Some people tend to do that.
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...and none of this is to mention his two video projects that he's failed to deliver all or some of.
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Hey respect jeromeo someone has to make the clouds move with the wind, by their mind force.
he is too busy moving clouds. he doesn't get that they move on their own ok dudes.
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Jerome finley's name seems to constantly be associated with this sort of terrible service and taking peoples money without any regard for them. Personally I'd steer clear.

Just my opinion but I don't think he's half as special as people make out. He seems to have made a reputation for being something outstanding, but the material of his that I have seen has been very average to say the least. I've also yet to see him actually perform anything to anyone outside of the magic world.
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Just curious why people buy his products has anyone ever seen him perform?
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On May 11, 2017, Paradise wrote:
Just curious why people buy his products has anyone ever seen him perform?


I have never seen him perform, I found that at least half of his effects were of no use to me, he can write literally hundreds of pages on an effect that can be very clearly explained in under thirty pages and all of it is very expensive. That's the bad.

However, there is good : buying via Mr Amirá is quite safe, the prices have dropped (he is making many offers these days) and I actually perform some of his material (which I consider great) on a regular basis Smile

(you need a taste for a very particular kind of mentalism but, in this niche, he has some of the best thinking)
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On May 11, 2017, Paradise wrote:
Just curious why people buy his products has anyone ever seen him perform?


I have never seen him perform, I found that at least half of his effects were of no use to me, he can write literally hundreds of pages on an effect that can be very clearly explained in under thirty pages and all of it is very expensive. That's the bad.

However, there is good : buying via Mr Amirá is quite safe, the prices have dropped (he is making many offers these days) and I actually perform some of his material (which I consider great) on a regular basis Smile

(you need a taste for a very particular kind of mentalism but, in this niche, he has some of the best thinking)


Which one of his material you perform on a regular basis?

I am going to take a look.
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His pulse stop and touches (I am working on two other of his effects in the hope of doing them justice in around a year).
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Yep Jerome has certainly mastered selling clothes to the emperor that's for sure!
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On May 11, 2017, Paradise wrote:
Just curious why people buy his products has anyone ever seen him perform?


I'm with you paradise. This "legend" status is rife in our industry. So many creators just big each other up and when you look for them there is zero evidence of them ever performing for the general public. I genuinely believe Jerome is one of the worst for this.

As others have said; its like the emperor's new clothes. Lets face it; who spends hundreds of $$ on an ebook and then slates it making them look stupid. And so the myth grows.
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I purchased Thought Veil when it was originally released and after waiting for months on end I finally received a signed hard copy. I had already received the pdf copy, but only after contacting him several times. Prior to purchasing Thought Veil, I had purchased and received several other pdf offerings of his. In fact, the first time I made a purchase from Jerome, he sent several additional (typically expensive) ebooks to me as a gift. As time went on, he became increasingly more difficult to contact and then I started reading a multitude of negative posts about him, detailing very unethical business practices. As a middle-aged guy who began learning magic as a child, I recall the all too often feeling of being duped myself after making a purchase based on crafty, misleading ad-copy from a catalog or from a hustling demonstrator at the local magic shop. Forums such as this have at least provided a place where we can inform one another of these things and hold accountable dishonest folks who perpetuate these actions which have become a stigma in our magic community.
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Jerome is a fantastic creator and at heart is a good person. His business and customer service skills are lacking. We can’t have it all tho, and I would rather have to deal with poor communication and delays if it meant I would eventually get to read some of his work..... I was listening to his teleseminar on eliciting criteria the other day and he said something which has transformed the way I do readings.
I no longer smoke camel cigarettes.
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I never had a problem with Jerome. I have purchased most his material directly from him without any problem and some from Amirá site.
His material is amazing and expensive but I am happy to invest on it.
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A lot of people have had money taken with no product in return. If you do any form of readings, I hope you enable your empathic skills.

I used to speak up for Jerome as I thought I understood his issues. I don't think I do anymore...
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Things really don't change around here do they?
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On Apr 6, 2019, magusofpower wrote:
I purchased Thought Veil when it was originally released and after waiting for months on end I finally received a signed hard copy. I had already received the pdf copy, but only after contacting him several times. Prior to purchasing Thought Veil, I had purchased and received several other pdf offerings of his. In fact, the first time I made a purchase from Jerome, he sent several additional (typically expensive) ebooks to me as a gift. As time went on, he became increasingly more difficult to contact and then I started reading a multitude of negative posts about him, detailing very unethical business practices. As a middle-aged guy who began learning magic as a child, I recall the all too often feeling of being duped myself after making a purchase based on crafty, misleading ad-copy from a catalog or from a hustling demonstrator at the local magic shop. Forums such as this have at least provided a place where we can inform one another of these things and hold accountable dishonest folks who perpetuate these actions which have become a stigma in our magic community.


I don't see what your complaint is, you said that you received the book and PDFs you purchased. Why bump a two year old thread?



For the record, I think much of Jerome's material is top notch.
I write and edit text.
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I think it's top notch 2. like the top notch in a 2 out of 10.

But seriously it is sad when tricksters lead people on and trick other magicians about non deliveries, etc. It catches up to you. Honesty and integrity are the best policy.
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There are several products in a row that he's sold and failed to deliver on. Super Mentalism he delivered half of what he promised (3 of 6 videos). He had another video project that he sold through Amira that was never delivered at all. Then, he sold an updated version of True Telepathy, TTX, that he never sent out. Finally, he recently sold one-on-one Skype sessions and then disappeared again. I don't really understand how there was a several page long thread about Mark Elsdon not delivering on products, but this guy seems to get off here without a peep. He had some bad situations arise and I used to feel sorry for them, but that's been awhile ago now and he can't really continue to use that as an excuse.
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Just a note on thought veil - what if you could purchase a hypnosis course, change the wording in some parts and sell it as your own in the form of a thick book or pdf. Just a thought.
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Too bad Outlaw Effects closed, he could have found a running partner with Roth.
Rick would have considered the last two pages a glowing resume and hired him on the spot.
Look for all the world like you're counting the brain cells in his cranium.

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