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TomBoleware
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On May 10, 2017, TomBoleware wrote:
Walter was probably right, you should have walked.Smile

Just curious but did that cross your mind there at the show?

Tom



Walter, please don't take this as being sarcastic, it's not.
Like I said before, your post about walking did make sense.
I also said we learn from hindsight.

Thanks
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What was it if not sarcastic? Of course it was a shot at Walter. Don't apologize to him which he deserves.
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I was out of town last night performing at a high end college graduation party. I was booked via Gig Masters. Maybe I am too trusting but once the deposit is paid, I leave it up to the client to pay at the event. This has always worked out for me (with G.M. gigs) and results in a happy client at the completion. Last night, at the after show party, I was asked if I wanted a cash or check with the comment they would rather pay by check since they did not want to part with so much cash at the time. I gladly accepted the check with a generous tip I might add. The only thing that could have gone better would have been that the check be made out to my registered business instead of just of my stage name. That should be no problem since I deposit all of my checks into my business account anyways. Smile

PS: Only 11 days to go for the release of my check that started this delightful thread. Smile
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I know that these are older posts, but I was curious about the subject because for the most part I always get paid right up front. According to my contract, I require a 25% deposit and the rest is collected immediately following my performance. For businesses however, I still collect a 25% deposit but the contract is different stating they have 30 days from the date of the performance to pay the balance. I have never had an issue except with one company which took 3 months to pay but they also had to pay a late fee which is also in my contract. If your a performer and you have a contract, you call the shots and if a company or individual does not agree with your contract than they don't get my services. Plain and simple as that.
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The worst for me is when the accounts department wants me to sign up as a vendor as the "system only pays vendors" and I'm like- "after delaying payment for 2 months this is the only time I am working for you" and then theres a 5 page vendor form to fill in but only the accounts department knows about it- the person who hires you doesn't know about the vendor form. Big companies can be just that- Big machines and the cogs don't communicate with other cogs
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The comments about forms and cogs gives me a heads-up to include a paragraph in my contract regarding the client's being responsible to provide all necessary forms and documents needed for compensation in a timely (read "prior to performance") manner, and failure to provide needed documents shall not be proof against any contractual late fees or penalties.

I don't return on time ... my bad.
They don't do their due diligence to get me the needed forms ... their bad.
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On May 28, 2021, swmagic08 wrote:
I know that these are older posts, but I was curious about the subject because for the most part I always get paid right up front. According to my contract, I require a 25% deposit and the rest is collected immediately following my performance.

For businesses however, I still collect a 25% deposit but the contract is different stating they have 30 days from the date of the performance to pay the balance.

If your a performer and you have a contract, you call the shots and if a company or individual does not agree with your contract than they don't get my services. Plain and simple as that.


Your first post, welcome!

I found your post a bit confusing and contradictory. You state you always get paid upfront, then in the next sentence describe payment terms of a 25% deposit and payment following the performance?

Then say you accept a net-30 for payment, but then say it's your contract and you call the shots. Do it my way or you don't get my services.

This all just seems contradictory to me.
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On May 29, 2021, KungFuMagic wrote:
The comments about forms and cogs gives me a heads-up to include a paragraph in my contract regarding the client's being responsible to provide all necessary forms and documents needed for compensation in a timely (read "prior to performance") manner, and failure to provide needed documents shall not be proof against any contractual late fees or penalties.

I don't return on time ... my bad.
They don't do their due diligence to get me the needed forms ... their bad.


Your mileage may vary of course but the phrase “to be paid upon completion of final performance” has always worked for me.

I’ve found that for me, it’s best to keep the contracts as short and simple as possible.
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Why would anyone wait until after the performance to be paid?
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As I mentioned in one of my books, a contract serves many purposes, only one of which is the terms of payment. Often times your contract should be part of something much larger which demonstrates your professionalism, peace of mind to the purchaser, value, and much more.

I can't tell you how many times, hundreds over the years, where the client has said to us "I could tell by your "contract" (not the term I use) that you were the most professional entertainer we've ever dealt with."

Each time we hear that we know this is just as much of our positioning and creating the proper expectation with the client, and if necessary their team, committee, and legal department as other designed components.
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The interesting part about these things is that often it can be as much about what is not in as what is in.

Depending on the state or the guild you are working in or with there are things that are just part of it whether you put it in the contract or not.

Contact law is a very specific field of study. The worst thing to do is think you know.
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Also, contracts mean little if you are not willing to enforce them.
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Or able to enforce them.
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