

Amazin Doug New user Arkansas 47 Posts 
I saw this done at a Renaissance Faire a few weeks ago and I'd like more information about it.
A fellow was walking around with a large (maybe 6inch), wooden, 6sided die. He'd find someone to play against. The rules: He rolls the die (in the grass or dirt) and the topmost number begins the running total. He and the mark take turns moving the die a quarter turn, adding the new topmost number to the running total. They share the running total. As I recall, he even gives the mark the option of going first or second. The winner is the first person to move the die to expose a side that brings the total to 30. The guy never lost. I imagine the winning strategy involves making sure you hit the total of 23, so the mark can't hit 30, but you can hit 30 after that. Anyone know the name of this game or how it works? 
hcs Elite user Germany, Magdeburg 446 Posts 
The 31 game by IMHO Dr. Jacob Daley (I'm not at home). Pass me your emailadress and I will send you at saturday more information.
HansChristian
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hcs Elite user Germany, Magdeburg 446 Posts 
Hi,
Dr. Jacob Daley converted in 1945 the well known con game "31" to a con dice game. I own articles from the german magic magazine "Magische Welt": WGR: "Dr. Daleys Würfeltrick"; Magische Welt, Nr. 10/1959 and eastgerman magic magazine "Zauberkunst", Hanns Thielemann: "Dalays 31System"; Zauberkunst 1983, Nr. 1, p.42. Ken de Courcy IMHO also published about the game.  Primary key numbers (reached by 1  6): 4, 13, 22. (It's digital root is 4) Secundary key numbers:  Reached by 3 or 4: 5, 14, 23; 9, 18, 27; 10, 19, 28.  Reached by 2 or 5: 8, 17, 26.  Reachesd by 1 or 6: 30 To win: The first player must start with 4 else he can loose.  Dr. Rhode  an eastgerman magician  submitted in the 19sixties his system. He deals only with key number higher 20. The key numbers are 22  23  26  27  28  30 22: reached by 1  6 23: by 3 or 4 26: by 2 or 5 27: by 3 or 4 28: by 3 or 4 30: by 1 or 6 (a little joke) Kind regards, HansChristian
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hcs Elite user Germany, Magdeburg 446 Posts 
Amazin Doug wrote:
"The winner is the first person to move the die to expose a side that brings the total to 30." This is not the same as in the original: The winner is the first person to move the die to expose a side that brings the total to 31. On the other hand a person loses with a total more than 31.
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Marc O Special user The Netherlands 755 Posts 
Mark Elsdon has a version done with an imaginary die in his Conversation as Mentalism booklet vol 1.

ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts 
Hans cristian thank you very much. this is a great small quick little game.

Shikanominarazu Loyal user 244 Posts 
Just a heads up for anyone who is interested: Dr. Daley's original writeup is in Gibson's The Conjurors' Magazine Vol. 1, No. 2 (March 1945).

Neil Elite user 484 Posts 
I'm interested in this but I'm being a bit thick and so having trouble understanding the explanation!
If anyone would be good enough to spell it out for me or point me to a resource that's readily available online, I'd be very grateful. Thanks. 
LeoH Elite user 437 Posts 
Neil:
Check this out from Viking Magic. It is based on this principle. https://www.vikingmagic.com/product/automatic31zimmerman/ 
vanp8 New user 58 Posts 
I would like if someone would confirm whether the 31 die trick is referenced in Learn Magic Cyclopedia .
I had written notes that I think came from this reference. Thanks if can confirm or not. 
Steven Conner Inner circle 2523 Posts 
Sounds interesting
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MagicMan1957 Inner circle 1446 Posts 
Anyone have any other information on this?

vanp8 New user 58 Posts 
MAGIC magazine Volume 9 number 2 ,1999 Oct. page 90 Flim Flam by Farmer. Has a reference about this and I am looking for a copy to verify.

jf4viva Veteran user 315 Posts 
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On Jan 23, 2020, vanp8 wrote: there is a version in this magazine but its slightly different. instead of the die being turned one quarter turn to whatever exposed side there is , the player is allowed to play any number EXCEPT the number just played by the mark example: mark plays 4, you can play1,2,3,5,6. there are 4 specific "magic numbers" that are talked about. definitely easier to remember and follow. 
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