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So in another thread Tom had a different interpretation of the term "professional services" understanding the word professional as a description of quality of service rather than the meaning in the business type sense. Additionally, I've been pushing for context, so I pose this to Tricky Business:

Would a post that defines most often confused/misunderstood terms help us to all speak the same language?

If you all think it's of value, I will post one.
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I would like to see your definition(s). DD had a good post defining how professionals can work both in consumer and B2B markets. I think definitions of B2B and B2C are helpful.
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Walter, please do

also defining what a business IS would also help in clearing up what the b2b stands for. A magician simply doing a magic show for a business is NOT a b2b transaction that can be called a professional service.

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It will only help if others are unertanding and acceptanct of it rather than challengig it or trying to redifone htinsg to fit their own perspectives.

Yes, professional market performers have typically come up from their beginnings in consumer-market level operations and are usually versed in both, yet consumer level/market performs tend to only see and understand things on a single level and then often from a laymen's or consumer's perspective, not always from the industry perspective.

Just as when a professional market performers decides for whatever reason to accept a consumer market gig, they often have to adapt things (materials, execution, etc.) down to a consumer-market level. I cover this a bit in my Entertainer's Business Toolkit.

Now before Tom or anyone misinterprets the term "down" please understand its proper use as it applies to its context.
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Tom, that has been done in several previous recent threads.
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On May 16, 2017, TomBoleware wrote:
A magician simply doing a magic show for a business is NOT a b2b transaction that can be called a professional service.

Tom


THIS is the big problem. You have no clue what is being spoken about and you make grand pronouncements about what the answer is. It is ridiculous.

Because as it turns out every word in this sentence is absolutely wrong! AGAIN. As usual.

Tom please stop. If you want to learn don't keep yappjng about what you think you know. Again it hampers the process for others. It does not help.

And just to be clear a professional service does not have to be a business to business transaction.
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Exactly. I must say this does get old - every thread. I am finding myself having to put disclaimers and explanations in solely for Tom these days.
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Please let’s not derail this thread with attacks on me again.

I have asked Walter to explain. Maybe he can answer the question that I made reference to with my comment. Is entertainment alone classified as a service? If so then in my mind ALL corporate shows would be b2b. I’m thinking the service must provide more than just entertainment value.

Please give Walter time, before you start in on me.

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On May 16, 2017, TomBoleware wrote:
I have asked Walter to explain. Maybe he can answer the question that I made reference to with my comment. Is entertainment alone classified as a service? If so then in my mind ALL corporate shows would be b2b. I’m thinking the service must provide more than just entertainment value.

Tom


And I'm sure Walter Will, but will likely say the exact same things some of us have said before and often.

Your quote above is EXACTLY the problem with you Tom (seriously). You are speaking and making hypothesis about somethings you know nothing about, you have admitted that before, yet you continue operate from the position of "in my mind" which is where everything goes south and continues to be incorrect. Why on earth if you admittedly have no experience and do not know or understand something, would you operate from with what is "in my mind?"

Learning is about being open-minded and willing to learn. That can not happen if you are starting from a place of "in my mind" or uncorrectness!

That only means everyone then has to prove something to you that you can accept "in your mind" before you can deem it valid. That simply is not beneficial and a poor way to learn. It's actually a prohibitive way to learn (if you are actually willing to do so in the first place).
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What’s in my mind comes from experience. Smile
I’m sure Corporations don’t hire Walter to come do tricks, he brings value that a normal show doesn't bring.
So please stop the attacks and let him provide us with some definitions.

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No what's in your mind does not come from experience and THAT is the problem.

Nobody is attacking you. We are trying to stop you from making pronouncements of what you don't understand.
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Who would of guessed this thread goes straight to bickering before it even starts. Shameful.
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Yes, especially in an attempt to prevent it
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On May 16, 2017, G. Batson wrote:
Who would of guessed this thread goes straight to bickering before it even starts. Shameful.


How did this lessen the shame?
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