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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
Can someone clarify for me what, if anything, the difference is between these two marketed trick decks?
Assuming both are printed on similar Bicycle stock, are they *exactly* the same (identical) in nature?
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Recoplon Loyal user 262 Posts |
Yes, they are the same.
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rowdymagi5 Inner circle Virginia 3616 Posts |
Exactly the same
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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
Good to know -- thanks!
By the way, it seems that four different varants of the Mastermind Deck (all in red Bicycle only) are currently available. A choice is available regarding the "force" card in question. The available options are 3S, 2D, 3H, or 2C. (In each case, you must supply the matching "prediction" card yourself [traditionally in a contrasting color, e.g. blue Bicycle] -- I know this because I asked Penguin Magic.) From a psychological (or any other) perspective: is there any reason to favor (and therefore order) one version over the other three versions? In other words, is there any practical or strategic advantage in going with the force card being one of those four options in particular, over the others? (Or is it essentially arbitrary -- in which case, why offer four options? [And why those specific four?])
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
Options for repeat shows/people.
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DelMagic Special user 719 Posts |
Those specific four are chosen because the pips are only in the center of the card. There are no pips or graphics (court cards) near the sides. Therefore, when you do a spread showing the 52 different cards, you are less likely to have an unwanted pip/graphic show up that wouldn't match the corner indices + pips which are showing.
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montanna40 Loyal user 252 Posts |
That is true
Which is why I have 3 of them so I can switch the decks out if they want it repeating |
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NWJay Regular user 110 Posts |
For those of you who have used this deck, is it worth the money? Does it get good reactions?
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rowdymagi5 Inner circle Virginia 3616 Posts |
I like it, I do get good reactions with it. However, I only ring it in very rarely and only use it for one effect.
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NWJay Regular user 110 Posts |
@rowdymagi5 Thanks for your reply. Hmm, not convinced then for that amount I can justify the expense at this time...
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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
Looks like Penguin Magic was wrong. I just bought a Mastermind deck, and it actually did come with a matching "prediction" card of a contrasting back color (red deck, blue extra card) supplied.
It occurs to me that the basic effect is similar to just the first part of Doc Eason's "Impossible Opener" (spectator's genuinely freely chosen card he slides out of a face-down ribbon-spread deck is found to match magician's prediction card, which has been in sight the whole time), lacking only its big surprise finale (revealing all other cards in the deck are identical, but not the same as the magician's prediction or the spectator's uniquely matching selection). The advantage of the MM deck is its ability to be spread face up to show all cards different, both right at the outset and again at the conclusion (if desired), which of course is impossible for the Impossible Opener. I also have a question relating to a fine point regarding setup and performance of the basic MM effect described above, but as it's difficult to pose without giving away trade secrets I'll pose it elsewhere, in the "Secret Sessions" forum.
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dyoung Special user 898 Posts |
Another deck to look out for, which is basically the same but with King of Hearts (if I recall correctly) is "Reshuffled" by Pedro Morillo.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Reshuffled is not quite the same thing. Don't want to get into exposure but it is not the same as others, although there is a similar element.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Dan just took me to school on this. He's absolutely correct. Reshuffled is the same thing as the others. I was thinking about Anton James' "Unshuffled" deck, which is a different animal altogether. Sorry to have caused any confusion. And thanks for the clarification, Dan.
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MagicMark502 New user 26 Posts |
So many great ideas/routines can be performed with this deck! So glad to have found it.
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CardMaker Inner circle Ludwigsburg/GERMANY 1063 Posts |
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On Jul 2, 2017, MagicMark502 wrote: ... even with half of that gaffed deck (+ another half regular cards). One of MY favorites.
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MitchC Elite user Can't believe I only have 415 Posts |
You guys care to share the effects, routines, performers using the Mastermind Deck ?
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EndersGame Inner circle Reviewer EndersGame 2196 Posts |
What's the best source for getting the Mastermind decks right now?
I see that they are available from Penguin Magic for around $30, but I've seen some negative press on the card quality of their decks, and that they don't spread evenly and clump quickly (which makes them rather useless). Does anyone have experience with a Mastermind deck from Penguin, and whether this was an issue? |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Yes. They’re rubbish.
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EndersGame Inner circle Reviewer EndersGame 2196 Posts |
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On Oct 27, 2018, pegasus wrote: Clumping makes them rather useless if you can't get a decent spread - has anyone tried fanning powder and did that help at all? |
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