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On May 28, 2017, Dave the Knave wrote::
You're applying some serious torque to my arm...

And to my wallet.
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Worth it!
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It's on its way...
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While people debate the relative merits of these two books (I have them on order and I can't wait to get my hands on them both), I have been enjoying Pit Hartling's latest opus, "In Order to Amaze." Pit has a way of working with effects to the point that he appears to squeeze every bit of entertainment value inherent in the premise. His presentations are honed over many, many actual performances. What's more, he has given a considerable amount of thought to every aspect of the effect and provides the reader with a number of variations and alternatives.

To top it all off, the make-up of this book is gorgeous. Much thought has been given to the layout, typeface, end papers, stunning full-color illustrations, even the choice of paper. It's a beautiful book, in the same lofty category as Andi Gladwin's stunning "Jack Parker's 52 Memories." And, just like the case with Andi's book, the material truly deserves this royal treatment.
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I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of Pit Hartling's book.
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Did you get it yet?
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Is there a version of ACAAN in Patrick's new book?
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Hi Magic-Daniel. I have published so many different versions of ACAAN but there isn't one in this book. That said there are things that might feel that way to you that are just as interesting. O.F.M. is one of my favorites (for instance) where a participant looks at and looks at any card in the pack, names it and you tell them the position. Then as a second phase this is repeated, but this time they don't tell you the card. You not only are able to tell them what card t hey thought of but also the position it is from the top. During this entire process the deck is being cut into multiple piles and mixed and reassembled in a different order. It's an interesting effect methodologically and devastating to both laymen and those magicians who aren't "in the know."
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Just started going through this gem last night! So much to digest but it's written really well and makes it easy to understand and appreciate. Thanks so much for releasing this Patrick. Makes me now want to order Applesauce! I know doing it the wrong way around lol
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Patrick, this looks so, so good. I think the biggest challenge for me would be restraint. (Read: resisting doing all that can be done with the stack). This is beautiful work.
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Really hoping the next book comes out soon.
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Both books are amazing. I think we all win by studying both. Having seen both Redford and Aragon perform with their memorized stacks, I can tell you that they are both fantastic. Just watching them is a clinic.

I have been using Aronson Stack for over 20 years and have not quite committed to learning a new stack. If I had to choose one book to study for the rest of my life, it would be Mnemonica by Tamariz.

I find T.O.O. to be on the same level as Mnemonica with the variety of effects. I have lightly memorized Redford Stack and will really get it down over the next few months as I work with the principles. Who knows, maybe it will ultimately replace Aronson.

Memorandum also has a ton of insight, but is too gambling heavy for my work.

I am anxiously awaiting volume 2 of both books. I understand Redford actually has at least two more books on the way.
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On May 26, 2017, ash2arani wrote:
The fact that you can easily move between Si Stebbins and Redford stack makes this a winner. And the fact that you can easily to get into many setups including 26! by Caleb Wiles, Chaos by Pit Hartling, and Ultimate Hold em by Jack Carpenter seals the deal for me (I love all 3 effects).

I recently purchased T.O.O. used (should be here soon) and I have long been wanting to grab Jack Carpenter's "Ultimate Hold 'em". Does the book teach how to set up for this effect? or, does the Hold 'em effect tell you how to set up from T.O.O.? I am guessing you still need to buy both the book and the Carpenter effect (or is it included in the book with Mr Carpenter's permission)?

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On Oct 25, 2018, Poof-Daddy wrote:
I recently purchased T.O.O. used (should be here soon) and I have long been wanting to grab Jack Carpenter's "Ultimate Hold 'em". Does the book teach how to set up for this effect? or, does the Hold 'em effect tell you how to set up from T.O.O.? I am guessing you still need to buy both the book and the Carpenter effect (or is it included in the book with Mr Carpenter's permission)?


You'll still need to acquire the Ultimate Hold 'em book separately, but it's worth it.
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Thanks for the answer. I did get, and read, and really love, the book. I also will be getting the Carpenter Routine now.
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I really like Woody, but for me Memorandum had so many poker tricks and I just find those boring.
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Am I the only crazy one trying to learn all three? I got Mnemonica and Redford pretty much down.
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Not crazy at all. It's a fun goal!
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I've been using Memorandum for about one year now, but I perform usually stack-independent tricks.

Now I'm reading T.O.O. and I love its possibilities! I've already memorized the stack, although I cannot use it fluently enough yet, I still need a lot of practice. But fortunately, it seems that I don't confuse the two stacks.

For me, the most useful property of Memorandum is that it is very easy to separate a shuffled deck into the lower and upper halves of the stack. This is because it is very unbalanced: for almost half of the cards I don't have to think about stack positions at all, but I know immediately the proper half. This enables creating a divided or alternating deck during a performance almost as fast as using red-black separation.

So each stack has its advantages. Furthermore, maybe using two decks with two different stacks also has some applications...
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A question to Pierre Cardinlemon:

I have started to use Memorandum. Do you use the Siamese stack? I have not seen any of these effects performed but it carries a high approval mention by Max Maven. What's you're take?

Thanks,

hbenod
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