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an entertainer who is skilled in producing illusion by sleight of hand, deceptive devices, etc.; conjurer.
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Just want to give a shoutout to Will to say Thank You for making a truly magical performance. Not since I witnessed Omar Pasha in Madison Square Garden in 1973 have I ever said "WOW... That looks like REAL magic!" Now, Will Tsai has created that milestone... I am excited to see where he takes this moving forward.
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To people saying "the table is doing all the work and no he isn't using any skill":

Wasn't actually thinking up the idea and the mechanics of this table skill at all?


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So there is no skill in getting the routine and timing spot on??? This act would take a lot more skill than those are questioning. Plus you can't go comparing a self working effect (or being able to push a lever/flick a switch) the same as this structured and perfectly timed routine that had to be presicion for it to have looked as good as it did.
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As magicians we appreciate and marvel at seeing exemplary dexterity and skills on display because we know how difficult it is and how much dedication it takes to master such routines. So whenever "the work" is begin done with special props that make the job easier we cannot help but to get a bit defensive.

It's similar to the argument from the old school mentalists who mastered difficult billet peeks and nail writing vs. those using the latest electronic marvels that practically hand you the information on a silver platter. As another example from music industry, can you imagine what drummers felt like after hearing the first electronic drum machine? But from the audience's standpoint they could care less about how the feat is accomplished...All that matters is being entertained.

What's going to be interesting is seeing what Will performs next because his matrix routine is going to be very difficult to follow assuming that his goal is to build from each performance.
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Something off topic. I think the real meaning of Will's routine is good manipulation of money can get you multiple pieces of romance.
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Jared, I feel what other people want to say here is that self-working effects are not rewarding at all. If anyone can achieve that effect with no efforts, then there is no meaning to it. I totally understand this point of view, although I can't agree with them here. To achieve such performance, you need perfect coordination, timing, gesture.
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I think this is about as lovely as a matrix ever gets. Crazy beautiful. Until I saw Will do this I had a favorite matrix which you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSROGOfb......st-vrecs It's almost perfect. Those who know the methods here can argue that some of the tools used in this example also are not "sleight of hand" . . . But we all accept these tools. The issue to me is that whatever you can employ that gets the reaction is fair game. Experience tells me the best effects are tools plus misdirection with a spice of gaffs. What Will created is a route to eliminate misdirection as the camera prohibits this. His end result is totally skillful despite the mechanism employed. And it is absolutely beautiful in my opinion.
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That said - how I know where my Vapr Watch resale money went . . . LOL
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On May 30, 2017, StarManager wrote:
What Will created is a route to eliminate misdirection as the camera prohibits this.

There's a video somewhere which replays it in very slow motion. Yet it didn't explain anything. It's wonderful, Will's timing was perfect. If you read YouTube comments, they are laughable. Guys spend time saying that watching the slow motion video makes them scratch their head even more...
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I just want to say that I've been enjoying this discussion--people have raised a number of valid points, even if I don't agree with all of them.

I still have no idea how it was done. None. I mean, it's fine to point to the prop and to conclude, "It was the prop!" That is indeed one weakness in the routine, the lack of any alternative explanation. But having puzzled over the video, I cannot even begin to picture the mechanism involved. As mh1001 says, even in slow motion the illusion is perfect (or near-perfect)....But did I just say "illusion"? In fact, if I'm honest with myself, I have to acknowledge that I'm merely assuming that it was an illusion, based on my own metaphysical beliefs. Because if I had to judge from the evidence of my senses alone, I would have to conclude that Will Tsai actually is some kind of god or demi-god with supernatural powers. Only my faith in what science tells us is possible (a big leap of faith, by the way, given how wrong scientists have been and in some cases continue to be ahout the way the universe works) leads me to conclude that there was trickery involved.

I think some laypeople will definitely come away thinking he has "special powers...." Did you see the shock on some of the faces in the audience? They didn't look entertained--they looked like they had seen a ghost! And that to me is a good thing. Anything that shatters the complacency and cynicism and hubris of our secular-scientific age, even momentarily, is a good thing.
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Mh1001, I completely agree with your position. Even if an effect is virtually self-working it still takes skill to bring it to life. In our business everything should be fair game to achieve the desired effect. But personally, I feel better knowing that I can do it both ways. There's something satisfying about investing the time and dedication to make a difficult move look smooth.
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Magicians were once known for exhibiting mechanical marvels. And, as Arthur C. Clarke observed, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

I don't think Will's goal was to impress those "in the know" with advanced sleight of hand. His goal was to stun the judges and audience. Mission accomplished.
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I was just about to post the same Arthur C. Clarke quote, Doug. Nicely played, and spot on...
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AGT is not as easy as it looks.....its very much different then being a guest on a local TV show.
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Will did his Job Outstanding "He Fooled the Judges & the Audience " I really enjoyed it very Magical !
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Audience perspective is what the more important and its flourished well here.
Long time after someone has shown again here the beauty of magic( not mentalism.. Lol)
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So does this mean you now all forgive him for his poor business practices?
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On May 27, 2017, mh1001 wrote:
The performance indeed is mind blowing. And the principle used reminds me of Shin Lim's 52 Shades. I love that.

My only (and big) issue is that people will now know him and know that he is affiliated with SansMinds, which frequently releases magic products. And by googling his name, anyone can find Vapr, Vapr watch and other tools from Will.

I mean... I really don't want to see non-magicians looking at what the products magic dealers are selling.


This makes zero sense. Has this affected Strange Travelers? How about the Self-Tying Shoelace? Bite-out coin? Healed and Sealed? Ambitious card? Two card monte? There were a bunch of others where the ad copy stated as seen done by David Blaine or something of the sort. Those effects still killed even when people started performing them a week after a Blaine special airs. Going by your logic, all those effects would have been worthless due to Blaine having performed them and having the ad copies reference Blaine. Blaine is also arguably far better known than Will so...
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On May 29, 2017, mh1001 wrote:
Blurrylines,

I can't agree with you here. There's a big difference between "I have no idea what you did" and "I know it's sleight of hand but not exactly what". And the difference in reaction also is visible. When I did my first ACRs, sometimes, at some point, people challenge me this way "can I look at your cards?" "Ok, look at this card, which I now put in the middle" and as he/she gives it back to me, I was asked "now make it happen". I knew at that moment that this person was thinking I was doing something fishy with my hands, yet they didn't see anything, as they admitted. The worst thing was that I was unable to do the effect again, even though I tried "hmm I don't remember, what was your card ? ... well found it, ok it's really that one you want to see it rise to the top ?" and then I did it, success ? Yes, but... that person told me "no, you did the same thing as you did before. Look... I want to be the one who puts the card in the middle of the deck, and once it's inside, I don't want you to touch it. You pick the top one immediately, and make it happen". What do you think I should have done ? At this point, too late. Once they come to understand the main idea, the impact is greatly diminished. But this was already and exactly what I said in my earlier post. There was someone who "knew" how my turnover pass was done, yet he was wrong. If you believe this guy was fooled, this guy was thinking he got me. And he wasn't impressed. I've experienced it many times. Every time people "understood" one possible way which the effect could be done, they were much less impressed compared to people who admitted having no clue at all and said I was a sorcerer or something like this.


mh1001 (Not pointing fingers here, just speaking from experience)
If this happens to you, you are letting it. No one challenges unless it is provoked (talking down to spectator/I'm better than you attitude...etc.). Audience management skills would stop this. You are comparing standing at a table with the performance Will is doing on camera. There are no challengers. He has control of (one dimensional) viewing angles AND lighting.

Let's continue the discussion of his performance and not get off into real magic vs. "just tricks" from the spectators point of view.
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