On May 31, 2017, SimonCard wrote:
I think his performance is excellent as long as it's treated as a stage illusion. However, something is still missing I don't know what it is. Copperfield's flying show is the most beautiful and also I don't know what it is that makes it so beautiful. I guess a hybrid of close up and stage illusion just can't achieve that level of romance.

On May 31, 2017, kissdadookie wrote:
This makes zero sense. Has this affected Strange Travelers? How about the Self-Tying Shoelace? Bite-out coin? Healed and Sealed? Ambitious card? Two card monte? There were a bunch of others where the ad copy stated as seen done by David Blaine or something of the sort. Those effects still killed even when people started performing them a week after a Blaine special airs. Going by your logic, all those effects would have been worthless due to Blaine having performed them and having the ad copies reference Blaine. Blaine is also arguably far better known than Will so...

On May 31, 2017, magicmind wrote:
No one challenges unless it is provoked (talking down to spectator/I'm better than you attitude...etc.).

On May 31, 2017, mh1001 wrote:

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On May 31, 2017, kissdadookie wrote:
This makes zero sense. Has this affected Strange Travelers? How about the Self-Tying Shoelace? Bite-out coin? Healed and Sealed? Ambitious card? Two card monte? There were a bunch of others where the ad copy stated as seen done by David Blaine or something of the sort. Those effects still killed even when people started performing them a week after a Blaine special airs. Going by your logic, all those effects would have been worthless due to Blaine having performed them and having the ad copies reference Blaine. Blaine is also arguably far better known than Will so...

I didn't say these tricks will become uneffective. You did. It's always the same with you : stop pretending I say something I didn't.
Do I need to copy-paste what you quoted ? "And by googling his name, anyone can find Vapr, Vapr watch and other tools from Will."

Although, I do believe exposure hurts magic (especially the effects which have been exposed) to some extent, this is not what I wrote in that post. I say that I don't want people see the special props SM is selling, and to remind them that we "always" use special props (because that's the stereotype - people "know" we use special props), and letting them know the kind of marvels magicians can invent and put to the market.

It's much worse if props, instead of techniques, are exposed. Because techniques are flexible, and you can add misdirection and presentation in order to mislead the public about your true methods. But a prop, no. At least, for some of them. For instance, if ProMystic products are exposed, then even if you do a which hand effect without this special prop, people will think you used that special tool. Presentation will never save you here. If people know about Vapr watch, presentation won't save you either, nothing can.

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On May 31, 2017, magicmind wrote:
No one challenges unless it is provoked (talking down to spectator/I'm better than you attitude...etc.).

Have you seen how I'm performing in front of an audience ? Anyway, that sentence of yours obviously is wrong. You can be entertaining and yet being challenged, by attention-seekers or those who don't like magic.

It's a fallacy to say it's 100% the fault of the performer everytime something goes wrong. There are people who don't like soccer, even if they see Ronaldo and Messi playing with the ball, that doesn't make them love soccer. Yet no one would say it's because they don't play well with the ball or their team play like a group of amateurs.

On May 31, 2017, kissdadookie wrote:

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On May 31, 2017, mh1001 wrote:

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On May 31, 2017, kissdadookie wrote:
This makes zero sense. Has this affected Strange Travelers? How about the Self-Tying Shoelace? Bite-out coin? Healed and Sealed? Ambitious card? Two card monte? There were a bunch of others where the ad copy stated as seen done by David Blaine or something of the sort. Those effects still killed even when people started performing them a week after a Blaine special airs. Going by your logic, all those effects would have been worthless due to Blaine having performed them and having the ad copies reference Blaine. Blaine is also arguably far better known than Will so...

I didn't say these tricks will become uneffective. You did. It's always the same with you : stop pretending I say something I didn't.
Do I need to copy-paste what you quoted ? "And by googling his name, anyone can find Vapr, Vapr watch and other tools from Will."

Although, I do believe exposure hurts magic (especially the effects which have been exposed) to some extent, this is not what I wrote in that post. I say that I don't want people see the special props SM is selling, and to remind them that we "always" use special props (because that's the stereotype - people "know" we use special props), and letting them know the kind of marvels magicians can invent and put to the market.

It's much worse if props, instead of techniques, are exposed. Because techniques are flexible, and you can add misdirection and presentation in order to mislead the public about your true methods. But a prop, no. At least, for some of them. For instance, if ProMystic products are exposed, then even if you do a which hand effect without this special prop, people will think you used that special tool. Presentation will never save you here. If people know about Vapr watch, presentation won't save you either, nothing can.

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On May 31, 2017, magicmind wrote:
No one challenges unless it is provoked (talking down to spectator/I'm better than you attitude...etc.).

Have you seen how I'm performing in front of an audience ? Anyway, that sentence of yours obviously is wrong. You can be entertaining and yet being challenged, by attention-seekers or those who don't like magic.

It's a fallacy to say it's 100% the fault of the performer everytime something goes wrong. There are people who don't like soccer, even if they see Ronaldo and Messi playing with the ball, that doesn't make them love soccer. Yet no one would say it's because they don't play well with the ball or their team play like a group of amateurs.

What would it matter if people can google these effects then if your concern is not about them possibly losing effectiveness?

It's always the same with you, not making sense and then getting all butt hurt when someone doesn't agree with you, smh

Let me quote you, directly:

"My only (and big) issue is that people will now know him and know that he is affiliated with SansMinds, which frequently releases magic products. And by googling his name, anyone can find Vapr, Vapr watch and other tools from Will.

I mean... I really don't want to see non-magicians looking at what the products magic dealers are selling."

CLEARLY your post implies a concern about effects becoming ineffective if laypeople can google them and see that they products being sold, the alternative would be perhaps that you are afraid of people then going on to become magicians themselves? Makes you feel less special then? LoL.

On May 31, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Hi folks, old friends and new, it's Will here. Just got a moment to myself after a couple days of crazy press experience. I am super grateful that my act got such attention. I haven't had time to read through the thread. From what I have seen on the thread, some people like it, some people hate it. In both cases I am happy most were entertained either by the act or by the debate. I just want to say thank you for taking your time and allow me to share my moment with you. Quite a few PMed me and said I disgrace magic and I am not qualified to be a magician.. if I am allowed to chime in on the discussion as well, to me magic is magic. And magic is art. It's not what's involved that makes the magic, rather, the message behind the tricks that an artist wants to deliver. All the performance that I intended is in the patter. The visual was designed to assist. Art is an intimate thing for me. All I wanted to do on that stage is to share a part of the life experience from my past. How I saw life as it is when I was about to die in hospital bed a couple years ago. The chase of achievement, the way money comes and goes, and most of the time people, including myself forgot to take a moment, breathe, feel, and smile. Life is a beautiful thing... For those who stated that I am not a qualified magician or a bad magician.. I have never claimed to be good and I don't intend to. However, I was happy, that I could share a part of my life on that stage doing things I created to express just that.. Just want to leave the record here so for those who plan to message me further with how magic should be done, please understand each of us has a different story to tell, and different ways to tell them.

Just my two cents.

Best,
-will

On May 31, 2017, mh1001 wrote:
Kissdadookie, once again, the "your post implies a concern about effects becoming ineffective if laypeople can google them" applies to your comment. And again, I did not say effect, I said props, and I explained that in my post clearly : some props aren't flexible and can't be camouflaged using presentation or skills. It's not like technique and creativity. If people know about DL, I think I can still fool them. The same can't be said for prediction watches; I know I will stop using mine. But I said that already. I will not pursue this pointless conversation.

On May 31, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Hi folks, old friends and new, it's Will here. Just got a moment to myself after a couple days of crazy press experience. I am super grateful that my act got such attention. I haven't had time to read through the thread. From what I have seen on the thread, some people like it, some people hate it. In both cases I am happy most were entertained either by the act or by the debate. I just want to say thank you for taking your time and allow me to share my moment with you. Quite a few PMed me and said I disgrace magic and I am not qualified to be a magician.. if I am allowed to chime in on the discussion as well, to me magic is magic. And magic is art. It's not what's involved that makes the magic, rather, the message behind the tricks that an artist wants to deliver. All the performance that I intended is in the patter. The visual was designed to assist. Art is an intimate thing for me. All I wanted to do on that stage is to share a part of the life experience from my past. How I saw life as it is when I was about to die in hospital bed a couple years ago. The chase of achievement, the way money comes and goes, and most of the time people, including myself forgot to take a moment, breathe, feel, and smile. Life is a beautiful thing... For those who stated that I am not a qualified magician or a bad magician.. I have never claimed to be good and I don't intend to. However, I was happy, that I could share a part of my life on that stage doing things I created to express just that.. Just want to leave the record here so for those who plan to message me further with how magic should be done, please understand each of us has a different story to tell, and different ways to tell them.

Just my two cents.

Best,
-will

On May 31, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Hi folks, old friends and new, it's Will here. Just got...ways to tell them.

Just my two cents.

Best,
-will