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There is nothing to add to the above Smile

Thank you Rolyan. I know YOU will enjoy this..!

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Hi Guys & Girls

Great review for Proteus today on the Magic World review show...

https://youtu.be/VVmbzcyjYNk

It's towards the end of the show.

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Haven't had time to read the entire book yet but I'm a little worried, the initial test failed on me, I was thinking of a spider. I then did the test (as it is written) on a family member and it failed, they were thinking of a rabbit. Really concerned at the moment.... Again, have not read the book so I'm not giving this 'fair criticism' but the fact that the first two 'pictures' myself and someone else thought of aren't options... makes me wonder how reliable this really is?? There are nowhere near as many 'drawings' covered as I imagined..... A spider and a rabbit? These seem common enough for anyone to imagine?!?
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On Jul 11, 2017, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
Haven't had time to read the entire book yet but I'm a little worried, the initial test failed on me, I was thinking of a spider. I then did the test (as it is written) on a family member and it failed, they were thinking of a rabbit. Really concerned at the moment.... Again, have not read the book so I'm not giving this 'fair criticism' but the fact that the first two 'pictures' myself and someone else thought of aren't options... makes me wonder how reliable this really is?? There are nowhere near as many 'drawings' covered as I imagined..... A spider and a rabbit? These seem common enough for anyone to imagine?!?



You'll find that the book tells you how to avoid that.

But also, the book has been expanded upon. The PDF almost doubles the number of drawings that's in the book. Then Michael Murray almost quadrupled the number of drawings you can guess.

I will be honest: I'm still working with the original as presented in the book. I haven't found a need to use any more outs. Once you get it down, you'll learn how to guide participant easily to one of the thoughts.

Also to be fair, in my 25+ performances of this, I've never had someone think of a spider or a rabbit.
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I have the book; where does one get the PDF?
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It must be your fault, magicmark.

After all, the paid shills here all love it, so you must be wrong, no?
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Thanks for your reply Madison H. As I said, haven't read the book yet... but so far, I've now tried this on 8 different people (based on the book presentation) and there hasn't been one match. I've had the spectator read the instructions.... so far I've had Spider, Rabbit, Banana, Dinosaur, Clock, hat, eye and DOG!!!! None of these are considered 'outs' in the initial test. Again, I haven't read the book... I'm just posting my results on the initial test which swears 100 Percent to read your mind.

I don't have the book in front of me. What is this PDF you are referring to? Are you saying the initial test in the book is not the full version?
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Am I the only one that finds this effect obvious?

I even guessed the drawings on the promo before he revealed them.

It may be a step forwards on propless mentalism; but I think it's weaker than most of the standard drawing duplication methods.
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I just don't understand, at this stage, how basic children's drawings like DOG and spider are not covered? And I just did this on a 5 year old girl... my niece... she said SNAKE... not covered.


What is this magical PDF with hundreds of outs people are talking about? Is this included in the book~?
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Okay, enough of me.... I genuinely have not read the entire book yet.... I won't say another word until I have. I'm also going to test this at Magic Club tonight - lets put it to some magicians and see how this works out. I understand it is possible to add loads more outs ourselves using some common sense. I am just totally dumbfounded at this stage how the original / initial test in the book contains SO FEW OUTS?!?

I'll report back.
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Am I the only one that finds this effect obvious?

I even guessed the drawings on the promo before he revealed them.

It may be a step forwards on propless mentalism; but I think it's weaker than most of the standard drawing duplication methods.

Totaly agree mate I don't know what all the hype is about I sussed it in like one second
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Don't rush. Pay attention to

- your script. It is ESSENTIAL. I personally add "something that everybody would recognize at FIRST glance". Something like...
- your subject. At first choose "easier " spectators. Favor women, they're less challenging than us men

Don't jump to quick conclusions. This takes some practice. Not much, but it takes some. I don't think you expected to be perfect before reading the book. Guys Smile ...

Remember: their choices depend 90% on you. Practice a bit, don't be afraid to fail, and you'll be there soon. All the people who get near 100% are no more intelligent than you. They just understand you have to work a little bit to achieve these results.

Don't forget that if an out the Extended chart doesn't have keeps coming, then just... add it!

Hope that helps a bit.

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I purchased on faith and am waiting for mine. I do get a little nervous when something has 14 pages of comments prior to release.
To owners, is it obvious where to get the PDF. I am in the US and ordered from Penguin
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Okay, enough of me.... I genuinely have not read the entire book yet.... I won't say another word until I have. I'm also going to test this at Magic Club tonight - lets put it to some magicians and see how this works out. I understand it is possible to add loads more outs ourselves using some common sense. I am just totally dumbfounded at this stage how the original / initial test in the book contains SO FEW OUTS?!?

I'll report back.


You got the book today... and will try it TONIGHT...? Well..... I guess I have nothing to say...

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Sorry, I'm a dick, I found the PDF.
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Got the book today from Saturn Smile
Top class service as usual.

Initial test worked on me but failed on the Mrs.

Where does one find the PDF?
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PHEDON, THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE.

When I said I was TRYING IT OUT TONIGHT, obviously I was referring to the INITIAL TEST / EXPERIMENT IN THE BOOK that is sworn to work, or so it says. I have not PERFORMED THIS YET, nor would I so soon. I am specifically referring to the TEST IN THE BOOK. Okay!?

I'm being totally fair here. I'm just giving initial results from the book test. I've already put a big fat disclaimer on EVERY POST I've made saying I HAVEN'T READ THE BOOK AND I AM ONLY testing the ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT.

Just saying... the book's test has failed 8 out of 8 times... so far.... no personal performance put on it, just the test, standard, as typed.
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Where does it say sworn 100% to work?
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Where did I say it was 'sworn 100 percent to work?' I said sworn to work, which is the confidence displayed in the book, not 100 percent. Pfft... I'm butting out now. Should have known not to post negatively about an endorsed product...
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I highly recommend reading the book in entirety, learning it, and THEN showing magic club members. Surely you know a human performing for you is much more successful and beneficial than a book. You're basing your whole review on a bit of fun then book has in the beginning.

PS: Most of the drawings you mentioned are included in Michael Murray's extension. It covers 50 drawings!


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